From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-29 15:22:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dmytrylavrov@fsmail.net (Dmytry Lavrov) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: OT: Nuclear Waste (Was Re-Marketing Ada) Date: 29 Nov 2003 15:22:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <49cbf610.0311291522.43865a57@posting.google.com> References: <49cbf610.0311191248.7eb48a43@posting.google.com> <49cbf610.0311200221.1df60a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.248.15.144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1070148156 14059 127.0.0.1 (29 Nov 2003 23:22:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3036 Date: 2003-11-29T15:22:35-08:00 List-Id: "Robert I. Eachus" wrote in message news:... > Dmytry Lavrov wrote: > > >>Dmyytry, Dmytry, you really need to catch up on your technical reading: > >> > >>Teleportation: http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/html/teleport.htm > >> > >>Time travel: http://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/4_11_98/fob3.htm > >> > >>Superluminal communication: > >>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?1999quant.ph..6113S > > > > > > Don't want to discuss more with someone who don't think that it's > > cheating _by_ _default_ . There was too many teleportations and > > superluminal communications and time travel reports all over > > 20th,19th,18th and even 17th century, > > to many years BC.In next 10 years you will foget about links you're > > providing,and will use links to other sci-fi. > > Huh? The difference as far as I am concerned is that 1) they have done > the math--all of the above results are consistant with quantum > mechanics, etc. And 2) these are reputable scientific experiments, with > enough information published that 3) the results have been duplicated. I checked that papers,rereaded some other papers about same effects,and got: That "teleportation" have absolutely nothing with teleportation in_any_meaning. It's "entangling" or something like that.If i want to teleport ,say,electron,i need to use one positron and 2 electrons to "entangle" positron entangled with electron 1 with other electron.I'm "teleporting" electron that it becomes a positron.So,because our world _is_not_ simmetric for antimatter,that's not a teleportation in any meaning anyway.It only shows "another strange thing" in our quantum statistics,shows that pair of particle and anti-particle formed together are one object and not 2 separate objects.light and "anti-light" are the same things except perpendicular polarisation. It's really working experiment.But it have nothing with teleportation, it's _old_thing_ but _only_now_ it's named as teleportation.That's bad when such things are so widely published with so incorrect name just only to show that now we have lots of new researches and discoveries. There's no meaning of "teleportation" in science. That experiment is more like to be telekines or telepathy than teleportation. Other 2 papers only shows "possibility" of time loop and super-luminal communications.No experiments,no duplications,nothing proves it. Super-luminal communications lead to time travel,it's quite simple can be derived from special relativity and it's 100% surely for me because SR proved by experiments even if SR is incorrect a bit , but why that papers are closely related and aren't referencing one to other? About "they do the math".For first example it's right ,math was done nearly half century ago! .For other two,even if they do the math(Do you know that math? Can you check that? Why you think that they done if you haven't checked yourself? I can trust something if i checked or quite less trust if someone IMO reputable checked) there's _nothing_ that shows that it's applicable to our world. Even if shows,it's quite possible that it's again like that "teleportation",have nothing with name. About past reports:It's now them looks like bad old sci-fi.At that time them looked like good sci-fi. I have no reason to >50% trust thing i can't prove for myself.Their math only may help me to prove for myself. I haven't fogot good lessons with proving something like that all triangles have "at least one" 90 degrees angle and more good-looking cases.It's good idea to theach that with math. I can even trust last two papers ;-).They shows that time travel and superluminal is _maybe_ possible.Even don't have reason to non-trust 'em ;-),i also think that it's maybe possible. Even if it's right and proved there's nothing with time mashine or at least time phone. in math,there's right and proved,it's different things.