From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,20280f498071efd3 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Martin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Software Quality in Science Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:38:25 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <495939c0-58e7-4362-a8c0-6d4af23c3b12@o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> References: <1198a288-b013-45a8-907f-7fe227e6294e@m27g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <04185bf3-f83a-4fbe-b380-c6d8aa4105e6@w27g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <87fx59p725.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20.133.0.8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265809105 10777 127.0.0.1 (10 Feb 2010 13:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=20.133.0.8; posting-account=g4n69woAAACHKbpceNrvOhHWViIbdQ9G User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20091221 Firefox/3.5.7,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9080 Date: 2010-02-10T05:38:25-08:00 List-Id: On Feb 10, 1:13=A0pm, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Robert A. Duff: > > >>...The net result of changing languages appears > >> to be that the overall defect density appears to be about the same, > >> (Hatton 1997). In other words, when a language corrects one > >> deficiency, it appears to add one of its own." > > > That assertion requires evidence, and I don't see it here! > > (Hatton 1997) is here: > For Ada, it cites Compton & Withrow, "Improving Productivity: Using > Metrics to Predict and Control Defects in Ada Software", in "Second > Annual Oregon Workshop on Software Metrics", Oregon 1990. =A0It then > concludes that language choice had no impact on fault density > patterns. =A0Of course, the evidence is only anecdotal. > > But the actual cross-language studies I've seen show that most metrics > one can conceive (such as defect rate, performance, development time, > even lines of code) vary as much among programmers as among > programming languages. =A0This is a bit sad because it means that > language design does not really matter as far as actual results are > concerned. > > Ada subsets may be helpful if your goal is to avoid the last > (relevant) bug. =A0But that requires matching development practices, > which are in place for only very few code bases. =A0Certainly, these > practices aren't magically introduced if you just substitute Ada for C > or Fortran. What about McCormack (http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crossTalk/2000/08/ mccormick.html)? Or Zeiger (Rational) (http://www.adaic.com/whyada/ada-vs-c/ cada_art.html)? Both quite old now (but so is Hatton's) and they at least have something more than anecdotes... Cheers -- Martin