From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,46f1af367ca05806 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!164.128.36.58!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.post.ch!not-for-mail From: Martin Krischik Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why I hate Gtk+/GNOME (from the perspective of an Ada supporter) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:45:32 +0100 Organization: Swisscom IP+ (post doesn't reflect views of Swisscom) Message-ID: <4799bdcc$1@news.post.ch> References: <479700d6$1@news.post.ch> <4aa2165e-b3a1-42a4-b5db-fdc39d7d67fd@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <479841ed$1@news.post.ch> <183a03c8-5379-4bfb-b311-f6e014e88719@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com> <4798C90D.4040509@obry.net> <47998f9e$1@news.post.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.41.146.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: atlas.ip-plus.net 1201257936 11030 194.41.146.1 (25 Jan 2008 10:45:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ip-plus.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:45:36 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: w03duo.pnet.ch X-Original-Trace: 25 Jan 2008 11:45:32 +0100, w03duo.pnet.ch Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:19592 Date: 2008-01-25T11:45:32+01:00 List-Id: Ludovic Brenta schrieb: > Martin Krischik wrote: >> When you just install GNOME from OpenSuSE 10.3 and only apply security >> updates then GNOME works pretty stable these days (hasn't always been >> that way - 0.x and 1.x was atrocious). However: I advice strictly >> against activating the "GNOME STABLE" [1] upgrade channel. >> >> The best what will happen to you is that smart [2] will report version >> conflicts and will refuse to install the mess. >> >> There worse what can happen is that smart will resolve the version >> conflicts with 32 bit libraries - on your 64 bit system. Leaving you >> with an unusable system. And downgrading is the one area where rpm based >> installer have not yet caught up with dep based installer. > > I'm surprised with your horror stories. Surely there must be other > platforms besides Debian where GTK+ is solid, dependable, and > buildable? As I said: fresh off the DVD GNOME is quite ok. I think the problem are the dependencies - If - for example for a DVD version - they are carefully tested and resolved for the hole distribution the result will be stable. The same when AdaCore carefully creates one oft there Pro or GPL releases. Or when the GIMP Team creates a Windows GIMP. But never try a hot upgrade - especially when you use a 64 bit system. The GNOME community does not act as one big team (as the KDE community does) and it only takes one of the many micro teams to forget to create a 64 bit version of there library and disaster will avalange from there. Debian on the other as meta team can compensate for Gtk+/GNOMES organisational and design shortcomings. As it is the best news of the young new year is the KDE 4 version for Windows and the best Ada related news of last year where the restart of the QtAda project. Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com