From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 93 17:23:29 -0400 From: munck@STARS.Reston.Paramax.COM Subject: Re: (Ted's Misrepresentations of) Hoare's gripes about Ada Message-ID: <4708.746400209@blackbird> List-Id: In INFO-ADA Digest V93 #564, Chris Warack said: >Ted must have seen a somewhat different speech than I've got in my >Turing Lectures book. ... Ted: ... the big success stories of recent years, C and Pascal, > >Hoare doesn't mention C at all... only Pascal and ALGOL. Ted:Hoare noted that the language was far too complex, and that users Ted:were going to spend more time working around Ada than solving their Ted:own problems; ... > >NOPE. Doesn't say this at all... Ted:And there were a number of other things. It's not as if he gave a Ted:long speech on another topic and then, at the end, said "Gee! this Ted:Ada thing looks like a bad idea..." > >He did in fact give a long speech on another topic (ALGOL) and then >related the bad things that happened in ALGOL 68 to what might happen >in Ada "today" (where "today" was 1980). Ted: ... the entire speech was on the topic Ted:of Ada, it was a hell of a long speech, and there was a buildup Ted:which took into account a number of predecessor languages which Ted:failed for the same reasons which Ada has failed for, and this Ted:included most notably PL/1. > >Pure, unadulterated BS. The speech was on ALGOL. PL/I was never >mentioned. His concern with Ada was genuine, but it totalled only >5 written paragraphs. Ted: ... Ada was a kind of an ultimate Ted:opposite example to everything which Hoare figured was right. > >Not true. ... Ted: So, assuming the people aren't simply lying ... That would imply Ted:that everything he had learned or believed about computer science Ted:prior to 1980 had been 100% in error, > >Well, Ted, ... I find it ironic that this message which seems to have > many "factual short-comings" ends accusing others of lying... What really concerns me is that Ted may also have been misrepresenting Velikovski all these years. I think that we owe a debt of gratitude to Capt. Warack for so thoroughly debunking Ted's pipedream of Hoare's speech. Unfortunately, Ted himself will probably just carry on as before; he seems to have only a very low bandwidth/high noise channel to the real world. Ted:I figure they probably tied him to a tree and forced him to listen Ted:to rapp music until he succumbed, but that's ONLY a conjecture. Great! I even disagree with Ted's taste in music. Bob Munck