From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,21960280f1d61e84 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 20:32:20 +0100 From: Gautier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How come Ada isn't more popular? References: <1169636785.504223.139630@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> <45b8361a_5@news.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.77.132.152 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.77.132.152 Message-ID: <45bcfa28$1_7@news.bluewin.ch> X-Trace: news.bluewin.ch 1170012712 83.77.132.152 (28 Jan 2007 20:31:52 +0100) Organization: Bluewin AG Complaints-To: abuse@bluewin.ch X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!164.128.36.58!news.ip-plus.net!newsfeed.ip-plus.net!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:8651 Date: 2007-01-28T20:32:20+01:00 List-Id: Randy Brukardt: > "Good" is highly subjective, and what you think of as "good" may differ > widely from other people. I know Tom thinks Janus/Ada was pretty good, and > long before 1995... > > Your opinion of good may differ, depending on what you want to do. > > Randy. I could not agree more. One could add that the quality (whatever subjectivity) of a given software fluctuates with the changes occurring around it. What was good long before 1995 was perhaps less good to make a popular Windows 95 + Ada95 product, since it is the subject of this discussion thread. I'm not a customer of Janus/Ada but I have some reliable 3rd-party comments :-). On the "-" side, some limitations and rests from the DOS & Ada 83 version (I was told that the type Integer is on 16 bits ?!), persistent doubts about future developments, strange shipping media (floppy disks). On the "+" side, an full compilation system for Ada, from source to executable, with smart linking, when GNAT has sometimes trouble with the gnu doing fuzzy things in the basement (e.g. sometimes absurd trace-backs...) and needs a longish and unreliable workaround (gnatelim) to achieve what a smart linker does in no supplemental time. Perhaps the way Janus/Ada (95) is presented on the RR Software site is also misleading and hides the real virtues of the product. It seems like an Ada 83 compiler for DOS doing a tentative trip towards Ada 95 (an "extension") and on other operating systems. Anyway, it is never too late and Janus/Ada has certainly a big potential that relatively small details can release. A version of the CLAW demo that compiles with GNAT 3.15p (2002 !) or later wouldn't hurt, either, IMHO, since it's the pieces of RR Software people can try. ______________________________________________________________ Gautier -- http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/index.htm Ada programming -- http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/gsoft.htm