From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-02-13 08:31:37 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: tshawke@qwest.com (Tom Hawker) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Date: 13 Feb 2002 08:31:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <43d7620c.0202130831.306d52d5@posting.google.com> References: <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <3219936759616091@naggum.net> <3c4a149d.9839580@news.bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.225.133.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013617896 13106 127.0.0.1 (13 Feb 2002 16:31:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 2002 16:31:36 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:26438 comp.lang.ada:19969 comp.lang.eiffel:5667 comp.lang.smalltalk:19559 Date: 2002-02-13T16:31:36+00:00 List-Id: Bruce Hoult wrote in message news:... > > Nicklaus Wirth spent a year on sabbatical at Apple, designing Object > Pascal with them. > > -- Bruce Two thoughts. If I remember correctly, Pascal was originally designed based on a provability calculus. That is, Pascal programs were supposed to be provably correct (don't ask me to define that), which is why there were so many things "missing", such as C-equivalents "break" and "goto". Provability gave way to usability... If you read back a few messages about mindless managers and mere coders, I thought of a very frightening parallel. Anyone out there read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand? How about The Peter Principle? This sounds all too much like promotion to incompentence or epidemic ignorance and apathy. Would that John Galt were here, or perhaps *not* here... -- Tom