From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Ell Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops) Date: 1998/09/04 Message-ID: <42OH1.2$vl.24707107@newsreader.digex.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 387780232 References: <6rf59b$2ud$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au> <6sgror$je8$3@news.indigo.ie> <6sh3qn$9p2$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6simjo$jnh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35eeea9b.2174586@news.erols.com> <6sjj7n$3rr$1@hirame.wwa.com> <35f055a5.1431187@news.erols.com> <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6skfs7$2s6$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6snpvb$e6f$1@hirame.wwa.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: newsreader.digex.net 904899840 205.197.245.193 (Fri, 04 Sep 1998 05:04:00 EDT) Organization: The Universe User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980226 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 05:04:00 EDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-09-04T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In comp.object Robert Martin wrote: : Joe Gwinn wrote in message ... :> :>So, the whole 1970s debate about structured programming (and thus GOTOs) :>reduced to the fond hope that if we tied the hands of those lost-puppy :>programmers, they would no longer be lost, and would then think ahead and :>write good code. : Negative. That is not the point, nor ever was the point. The point of : structured programming was not the elimination of GOTO. Indeed, you can : write perfectly structured programs with GOTO. The point of structured : programming was to recusively form the structure of an algorithm using units : that have a single-entry and a single exit. Please show us a quote by Dahle and Dijkstra which states that se/se is *the* key concept of structured programming. And that would mean something other than the quote about the heuristics of creating a flowchart on a page (which itself never says se/se is *the* key concept of structured programming). Please stop the fantasy and "gut wishes". Also please explain why the concept of "abstraction" is never involved in how you define the structured paradigm although Dijkstra said it was the first thing he thought of? Again, please stop the fantasy and "gut wishes". Elliott -- :=***=: Objective * Pre-code Modelling * Holistic :=***=: Hallmarks of the best SW Engineering "The domain object model is the foundation of OOD." Check out SW Modeller vs SW Craftite Central : www.access.digex.net/~ell Copyright 1998 Elliott. exclusive of others' writing. may be copied without permission only in the comp.* usenet and bitnet groups.