From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,1f00e12fa1e87526 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.google.com!proxad.net!212.101.4.254.MISMATCH!solnet.ch!solnet.ch!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 17:03:55 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus Organization: VoCal web User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050420 Debian/1.7.7-2 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Dr Dobbs dismisses Ada References: <42891b5f$0$31069$626a14ce@news.free.fr> <428DE693.F142BD35@hp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <428dfc4c$0$25685$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 May 2005 17:03:40 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 3d0d8fc7.newsread2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=gVBUPNiGVo=h^:`T28h7QWFC1UUng9_FXZ=3>:=P9Ihe`B8@Z?dZ]MOid5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11103 Date: 2005-05-20T17:03:40+02:00 List-Id: REH wrote: > "cdm" wrote in message >>The out of work programmers I know say you need very specific marketable >>skills to get a job nowadays. > I don't know what types of jobs your friends say they've applied for or what > "specific marketable skills" they think you need. Here (de_DE) there are those employers who will ask you "Do you know X well?" and if you don't know X well, they say, "Sorry, not at the moment.". This then means they currently have a customer who wants someone on site to do a small job for a number of days, or for just a few weeks. The optimum candidate is someone who doesn't need to be trained. Skills of interest: latest Microsoft technology, PHP, etc. This is of course free riding, or call it "clever", because the employer is trying to avoid training/learning costs, and instead only employs immediate cash cow people. In return, the employee is told that he/she needs to work for this employer for only a year or so and then is free to work for the then former employer's customers etc. at a more reasonable net wage. Or wait, maybe not ... (In cases, talented students are among their favorites, because they are motivated yet very cost effective in that the non-wage labor costs are low for students here (no unemployment insurance contribution to make etc.). This practice isn't welcome by every professor, because they think that students should learn, wherever that happens, including at some commercial company.) -- Georg -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Georg Bauhaus bauhaus@futureapps.de Future Apps GmbH http://www.futureapps.de phone: +49 203 306 1560