From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3869f0598191b11d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!63.223.4.70!c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <41024C9D.4040105@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Porting ADA source References: <40FBBB16.8050206@noplace.com> <40fd03b4$1_1@baen1673807.greenlnk.net> <40FD0932.5080604@noplace.com> <40FE607F.6040702@noplace.com> <41010BE5.2090501@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:48:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.1.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1090669729 209.165.1.24 (Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:48:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:48:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2371 Date: 2004-07-24T11:48:49+00:00 List-Id: Maybe its time to dredge out the "Tower Of Babel" analogy once again? Large efforts that involve lots of people and complicated decisions seem to be very hard to do and sometimes become impossible. They never go forward without errors. People always have their own styles and agendas they try to impose on the project. No two engineers are going to agree 100% of the time on the relative merits of various design decisions. People will always misuse tools. Maybe that's a gas law or a "Y = MX + B" kind of aspect of the universe. Ada rather deliberately set itself the goal of trying to overcome the Tower Of Babel syndrome - maybe there is some hubris in there? MDC Robert I. Eachus wrote: > > Pearls before swine, Marin, Pearls before swine. It is a very tough > choice, but I think we need _one_ computer language where the habit and > the discourse is based on good engineering and software engineering > practice. > > The real problem that we keep running into is an attitude towards > software that says it will be buggy, messy, and expensive to maintain, > and that this is a fact, not a result of current software development > practice. > > I like it when the support group complains that they have insufficient > data on mean time to repair bugs in Ada software. And personally, I am > not willing to give that up to increase the popularity of Ada. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================