From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,efdfc9eb6aee41c4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40C259D3.70700@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image References: <20040604175015.9DE3E4C409B@lovelace.ada-france.org> <40C1C12B.5030306@noplace.com> <40C22F52.8090203@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:40:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.4.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1086478838 209.165.4.162 (Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:40:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:40:38 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1143 Date: 2004-06-05T23:40:38+00:00 List-Id: Well, you've got to compete against MySQL too. That's basically free - unless you want support or certain usage options. Import/Export: I meant with respect to someone having a few gigabytes of data and tables & offering them migration tools that make it so any idiot can push the button and get it into your database. But you also need to be *different* in some respect - offering something the rest of the world doesn't. In part, it might be support for Ada data types that are not commonly supported by most SQL databases. Maybe including the various checks. Or some sort of "Object Orientedness" or other features that give it a twist. From experience we should know by now that you can't just say "Me too!!!" and expect people to switch from an industry leader. Also, to "product-ize" it, it has to be done better than most of the freebie tools one sees lurking on the Internet. Really professional user's manuals, reference manuals, "Mneson For Dummies" guides, etc. That might actually be a source of income: Get the software free but buy the books. Anyway, it sounds interesting and it might have some potential. It would be good to give some thought to doing something that really makes an "end product" that hits at the consumer or business level. A database has some "end product-ness" to it, but its still kind of in the "Software Development Tools" category and that can be a tough nut to crack when you're coming at it with a niche language. An end product (like an accounting package or office suite or other app) is the sort of thing nobody cares what language you used - just so long as it works. That's where I think Ada needs to get more activity. MDC Marius Amado Alves wrote: >> A database product could be interesting - it just has to offer some >> advantage over things like Oracle in order to be practical. > > > E.g. competitive pricing. > >> It probably also needs to be able to import/export to Oracle. > > > Mneson imports/exports SQL and XML like crazy. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================