From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5faad1722103f6a7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40BB2410.10100@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics References: <90Stc.15309$be.3117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <40b86431$0$186$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> <40B888E0.5040707@noplace.com> <40B8C86A.3050302@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:25:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.1.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1086006322 209.165.1.137 (Mon, 31 May 2004 05:25:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 05:25:22 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:948 Date: 2004-05-31T12:25:22+00:00 List-Id: Pascal Obry wrote: > > What are you doing :) ? > Like I said elsewhere: I'm in a position to use Ada internally and sell it on projects. Some of my customers already use Ada and I try to keep it sold. (Increasingly difficult to get them to keep spitting into the wind.) Where I've got potentially new customers, I try to get Ada in there. In any event, I hire people who use Ada on a daily basis so I think I'm doing *my* part for the cause. ;-) > > That's not so easy. I've seen lot of project managers chosing C++ even if > they knew that Ada was cheaper/safer. As I said that's not so easy... This is > political, choising a technology that everybody uses can't be something that > we'll be reproached to you if the project is not on schedule/budget! > > I think we have already debated about this, nothing have changed and it is > still very very hard (impossible?) to win this battle :( > The mistake here is to keep trying to sell to the people who keep saying "No!" They don't want it. They're not interested in it. They're not going to buy it. Move on. I'd contend that they're not just a batch of idiots and that there are often compelling reasons why they go down the path they choose. But if I concede the point and (for the sake of argument) agree that they're all a bunch of idiots with no vision, then what's the answer from there? Quit trying to convince them and do an end-run around them! Perhaps we're not big enough to become the prime contractor on some sophisticated airborne radar or whatever is being done by LockMart, et al. But that doesn't mean that there aren't potential projects that have some significant software in them wherein Ada would have a technical advantage. So long as everyone keeps thinking like a defense contractor ("I've got to wait until the government specifies Ada in a project...") it is *NEVER* going to happen. As soon as some Ada advocates start thinking like entrepreneurs ("I've got an idea for some end-product that would be superior and would cost less to do in Ada...") then we stand a chance. Let's quit crying over the fact that LockMart, Boeing, et al, don't want to use Ada and go figure out who *does* want to use it. (Hint: That would be us.) If those guys (us) go off and build some end product of some sort and successfully sell it, sooner or later it starts spilling over into the LockMart/Boeing/etc. world. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================