From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3a4656a5edc0dab4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.octanews.net!c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40A8AF07.8090608@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? References: <409F69CB.8020604@noplace.com> <40A218DD.9090903@noplace.com> <40A36368.7050104@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:25:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.22.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1084796705 209.165.22.164 (Mon, 17 May 2004 05:25:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 05:25:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:634 Date: 2004-05-17T12:25:05+00:00 List-Id: Try searching the web for "Single Board Computers" and see what pops up. Look at what the vendors of those boards provide as development kits. Make a list of *everything* they give you when you buy a development kit. (Often an RTOS and all the things you cite below) If a developer shooting to use that board doesn't see an Ada compiler in that toolset, then Ada won't get used. MDC Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > Right, but I am not talking about naked boards. Little could be done > there, here I agree with you. I am talking about > > 1) the next layer. Many our customers need a board + multitasking + > TCP/IP stack + USB + field bus. They also want it portable [that > becomes a real issue for many customers.] Isn't it what Ada is for? > > 2) the whole tool chain. You don't get it with a board. > > >>How is some alternative vendor >>going to come in there with an Ada compiler and convince the developer >>he needs to use theirs (without all the supporting goodies) and it will >>only cost him $20,000 a year in annual support contracts? > > > This is approximately what a C based tool chain costs. > > >>It won't fly unless the compiler is right there with the rest of the >>development kit and doesn't cost a fortune to get. > > > Right > > >>>No. It would take too long. I am afraid that Ada is missing the >>>embedded programming market which in the foreseeable future will >>>become no less important than the conventional one. >> > >>It wouldn't take too long if Ada focused in on a branch of software >>systems to which its existing strengths play and whos practitioners are >>not already Ada-haters. The embedded market already hates Ada with the >>white hot intensity of a thousand suns for a variety of historical >>reasons. In language surveys "Ada" ranks behind "Other" in languages >>used to program embedded systems. > > > I am afraid, that's in the past. Nowadays many are just unaware that > Ada exists. > > >>I'd *love* to see Ada get some nice >>share of the embedded market, but I think it is lost for the time being >>because it is too expensive in which to play and has too much historic >>resistance to overcome. > > > But the point is that embedded rapidly grows. I do not propose to go > after the present customers. No, we should go after the new ones. > Those who know nothing about Ada. They would readily switch to any > language other than C. And they will, unfortunately, to C++, C#, Java, > but not to Ada! > > >>If Ada went for something related - like communications or math or >>related fields - and tried to target that audience, they might be more >>receptive. That and they don't demand as much support gagetry just in >>order to be a player. So you can get in there easier and start building >>a market and because it might have a connection to the embedded world, >>it lets you gradually start to try to get into that arena. > > > -- > Regards, > Dmitry Kazakov > www.dmitry-kazakov.de -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================