From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3a4656a5edc0dab4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40A8A681.5000500@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? References: <409F69CB.8020604@noplace.com> <20619edc.0405120909.6ba1a793@posting.google.com> <40A35FF6.9050703@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:48:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.22.164 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1084794523 209.165.22.164 (Mon, 17 May 2004 04:48:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 04:48:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:628 Date: 2004-05-17T11:48:43+00:00 List-Id: Why does that have to exclude Time To Market? T.T.M. does *not* mean that a system has to be buggy or unsafe. If Ada was providing tools, utilities, features, etc., to a given market that meant significant leverage to those who develop for that market, wouldn't they get some added quality as well just by using Ada and having it perform its checks on the code prior to delivery? Industries have various levels of required quality. I expect more from flight certified software than I do from the average open source freebie desktop app I downloaded from the internet. Assume Ada has that elusive All Other Things Being Equal factor when compared against Language-X in a given problem domain. If so, then your time to market is equal, except you get fewer bugs as a bonus - and probably some percentage of faster development time too because you don't debug as much. Assume Ada tosses on top of that some spiffy features, utilities, libraries, etc., that reduce that time to market by 50%. Ada suddenly has a *HUGE* competitive advantage over Language-X. Enough so that it might persuade someone to bite the bullet and take a chance using Ada in the next deployment of a product. So A) Define the market you want, B) Fix it so that all other things are nearly equal and C) Provide a truckload of additional leverage so that the argument to use Ada is extremely compelling to the guys who have to keep their business alive by whupping-up on their competitors who stick with Language-X. (Note: It's not compelling enough just to say you'll get fewer bugs. Ada has been making that case for years and it hasn't persuaded many commercial users.) Or we could just get cynical about it and abandon hope of seeing Ada successful somewhere in the commercial computer world. ;-) MDC Randy Brukardt wrote: > programs will kill us). Ada is about building programs the right way, with > few bugs and ability to fix/enhance in the future. -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================