From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3a4656a5edc0dab4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!bigfeed2.bellsouth.net!news.bellsouth.net!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40A0BDF7.5030502@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada used in General Aviation (GA) applications? References: <409F69CB.8020604@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:50:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.0.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1084276236 209.165.0.246 (Tue, 11 May 2004 04:50:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 04:50:36 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:441 Date: 2004-05-11T11:50:36+00:00 List-Id: Bernd Specht wrote: > > 1. We work on 8051 and HC11, there is _no_ reason to switch to other > processors (especially the programming language is no reason). > > 2. For professional development, it's not enough to have a compiler. You > need a complete tool-chain (e.g. configurator, debugger ...) > Amen! I've said this before, but it seems to get dismissed. But then, so does Ada in the embedded world. People buy a whole development kit and that isn't cheap to build. It is often basically given away when you buy a development board because it is the hope of the vendor to sell you lots of boards - not lots of compilers. So if Ada wants to play in that arena, it needs someone to go out and develop a superior board-level product that just happens to have an Ada compiler targeting it. > > No, thats wrong. Would you go to GM and tell them: "Please build me a car > whith five wheels,60 inch wheels, ..."? NO, you go to your local dealer, see > what he has and then buy it or leave it. > > You could ask, but the answer is "No - but we'll let you pay to develop it and you can wait a year to get it." You're absolutely right on this score. *NOBODY* is going to pay a vendor and wait for the privilege of using Ada. They're going to select their board/chip and they're going to use whatever compilers/development environments are available for that hardware. If Ada isn't sitting on the shelf waiting to be bought, then Ada doesn't play. Its a tough nut to crack and I think Ada would be better off trying to target something else that might end up spilling over into the embedded world rather than try a direct assault. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================