From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-15 04:38:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <407E7446.8040707@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping References: <107m6cdmda7f639@corp.supernews.com> <407D235B.2040004@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:38:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.2.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1082029131 209.165.2.98 (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 04:38:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 04:38:51 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:7133 Date: 2004-04-15T11:38:51+00:00 List-Id: Georg Bauhaus wrote: > Marin David Condic wrote: : I just don't think > that random, : uncoordinated, volunteer, freeware without any > official sanction or : direction or strategy is going to happen in a > way that stands a chance : of succeeding. > > I think Charles is an example project that has been started this way, > though I can't speak for Matt. (And it is not without coordination.) > AI 302 has now a reference implementation in the freeware CVS > repository at tigris.org. Can there be a more official sanction of a > volunteer effort(?) than by the ARG? > "Success" in the sense of "Making Ada a much more highly visible language and used in a much wider range of applications than is presently done." Not "Success" in the sense of "Here's a project that produced some kind of useful result" I don't dispute that there are people who have made freeware that meets the second definition. I also won't dispute that there have been freeware projects that in and of themselves have grown into widespread apps (although I don't think Ada can yet point to something like that). I'm saying that with a relatively small Ada community, you're not going to see them all run out producing enough significant freeware - in particular, targeted to some coherent market - that is suddenly going to set the world on fire with a burning desire to use Ada. I'm suggesting that if a coherent *strategy* was agreed to by the major players and some identifiable, growing market were to be targeted, then with some combination of Ada language features, Ada sanctioned libraries, Ada compiler products and probably some Ada freeware, you might see a realistic possibility of watching the language grow much better than it is doing at present. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================