From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-06 14:22:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.wiretrip.org!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40731FA1.3080505@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <54759e7e.0402071124.322ea376@posting.google.com> <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> <1076000ef5oj06f@corp.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:22:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.25.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1081286577 209.165.25.122 (Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:22:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:22:57 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6784 Date: 2004-04-06T21:22:57+00:00 List-Id: Randy Brukardt wrote: > > Bullpucky. *Ada* (not some company or implementation) is a > general-purpose programming language. Nothing more and nothing less. > Embedded systems were never more that a few percent of RRS's > revenues; we've always marketed to general programming. "Ada" doesn't > identify markets; it's simply a thick book. Vendors do that, and no > one can or should tell them what to do. > Not exactly true. Ada has always had a "Focus" if you will and the stuff that grew up around it was aimed at a specific type of user. Sure, its "General Purpose" and as such could be used for any type of app you want. But if the "Focus" isn't on some arena, the folks in that arena aren't going to see what they want and/or need to do their job. Java put a focus on web-based apps with GUI interfaces. They built a bunch of stuff around Java to make that sort of thing easy. There are a lot of folks doing it and they picked Java over Ada (and other stuff) because Java helped them get there job done better. Couldn't Ada do the same in some other arena? > As far as the rest of your troll, your conclusion is that Ada needs a > $100 million markover -- which is clearly not going to happen. So why > do you bother hanging out here and waste the rest of our time with > it? You must do it just to get attention - I'd suggest that > kidnapping yourself would be more effective (a la Audrey Seiler). > You can call it a troll if you like. You can put me in your kill-file if you like. Its a free internet. But I'm not suggesting a $100m makeover, nor am I here because I want to waste your time. I'm one of the few remaining *customers* of Ada here providing a *customer's* view of what is right &/or wrong with the direction the language takes. I do it because I *like* Ada and wish it would succeed in a much larger market. I think refocusing on some new market or creating soem new leverage would stand a chance of getting the language a fresh look from other customers and a fresh start at building a market share. I think that *listening* to the (potential) customer and trying to provide what he wants is key to making it work. But if you want to ascribe all sorts of motives to me that I don't have, go right ahead. Its your time to waste thinking about it and being angry about it. I've got better things to do with my time than be offended by it, so go believe what you want to believe. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================