From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-06 13:59:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <40731A20.5000606@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> <4072E65F.8000107@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:59:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.25.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1081285170 209.165.25.122 (Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:59:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:59:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6782 Date: 2004-04-06T20:59:30+00:00 List-Id: Not sure where you are going with that, but I'll say that I don't think it is simply a problem of *perception*. I think there is a lack of utility in comparison to other languages and a lack of what could generally be characterized as "Industry Support" (Trained personnel, support within popular tools & environments, etc.) You can't really cure the latter without first addressing the former. For there to be "Industry Support", Ada has to have some large enough audience of users for people to want to learn it, companies to use it & build support into their toolsets for it. Its that chicken/egg problem. But if Ada has some immense leverage in some reasonably important problem domain, people in that domain will start *finding* ways to employ it without extensive "Industry Support". That starts building the base. Give some audience a 2x improvement in their productivity over their nearest competitor and you'll see it start to catch on. MDC Georg Bauhaus wrote: > So we'd have to change the perception of Ada. There are good > components available for building, e.g. small secure eShops. > WebSphere, big and rich as it is, doesn't seem to do too well, > PHP is used here and there, Java/Tomcat has tricky little > tasking/RPC/TCP/IP problems, so how about AWS? > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================