From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-06 10:18:44 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <4072E65F.8000107@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <54759e7e.0402071124.322ea376@posting.google.com> <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:18:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.3.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1081271923 209.165.3.91 (Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:18:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:18:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6774 Date: 2004-04-06T17:18:43+00:00 List-Id: Georg Bauhaus wrote: > > I think that is a bit optimistic. Sure some managers try to reason > before a decision, but this decision usually has lots of other > factors driving it than just an alledged cost & availability > calculation? > > Many decisions look like they are driven by a "critical revenue" > factor ("I can get by with xyz until next year..."), not by the > "optimizing" process that is still hypothesized in some economy > classes. Therefore, decisions need not involve engineering principles > or thinking of long term effects. With all its consequences... > Not all decisions are perfectly made, but ask this: Why would a bunch of guys with an existing investment in Ada drop it like a hot potato the instant they could? Possible answers: 1) They're stupid. (are they?) 2) They're filled with irrational hatred of Ada. (why?) 3) They're motivated by a desire for benefits that are not addressed by Ada as well as they are by some other language. Personally, I'd vote for "3" because it means I might be able to learn what those desires are and try to better satisfy them with Ada. "1" and "2" are pretty hopeless and defeatist. Believing that might satisfy my ego ("Stupid people don't like my language and that's why it lost - not because I did something wrong...") but it does nothing to change the situation. > > I just noted that Aonix have released new JNI binding software for > ObjectAda. If you think of cell phones, isn't there a JVM inside some > of them? > Cell phone apps are a prime opportunity in a growing field. I'm not sure that I'd vote for that one because the number of end-users may be astronomical, but are the number of *developers* going to be that large? Unclear at this point. But you've got the idea - find something with a potentially large number of developers who might benefit from a language plus lots of domain specific help. Give them what they want and maybe they come to Ada. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================