From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38159b1b5557a2e7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-31 00:42:19 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!green.octanews.net!news-out.octanews.net!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <401B6A66.4000005@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor References: <400D2150.6000705@noplace.com> <400E72F9.8060501@noplace.com> <100upo7ln5e3k59@corp.supernews.com> <400FC8E8.2040100@noplace.com> <_JSdna166JuxFo3dRVn-hg@comcast.com> <401115B7.5020205@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:42:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.0.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1075538538 209.165.0.133 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:42:18 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:42:18 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5140 Date: 2004-01-31T08:42:18+00:00 List-Id: If there is no elegant solution, then the alternatives are to create an inelegant one or live with the problem. Or switch to a language that has the inelegant solution. My concern is with the last alternative. People look at Ada and say "I can't make it do what I want it to do..." The Ada advocates say "Well, you can but you have to turn your head just right, stand on one leg, blink your eyes three times...." Or some version of "Go solve it with a tool outside the language...." So the developer does: He uses C++. We don't have to make Ada look like C, C++ or Java, but we ought to aim for at least providing a way of doing important things that these languages can do in some Ada-ish manner. You can't stop people from wanting things you don't like. You can refuse to sell it to them (as one should, if it is immoral), but that just sends them off to someone who *will* sell it to them. MDC Warren W. Gay VE3WWG wrote: > > I think the real reason is that people are holding out for > the "ivory tower" (aka "elegant") solution. There is nothing > wrong with this in principle, but I think it is fair to say > that after 12-20 years, if no solution has emerged, then the > standard has been set too high. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================