From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.129.98.69 with SMTP id w66mr13259177ywb.13.1437077984125; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.98.138 with SMTP id o10mr272403qge.33.1437077984082; Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!69no130943qgl.1!news-out.google.com!30ni1320qgi.0!nntp.google.com!69no130941qgl.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:19:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.201.165.65; posting-account=6m7axgkAAADBKh082FfZLdYsJ24CXYi5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.201.165.65 References: <14592326-5070-4663-a864-5684298f3748@googlegroups.com> <004361da-53c4-4ea9-8cc6-38944aa6c7ad@googlegroups.com> <29dd5458-f9ce-4db8-9128-8ab35a9ce5f8@googlegroups.com> <64bc671c-72e5-4924-b703-3b907c69949c@googlegroups.com> <877fq9uj6g.fsf@theworld.com> <65061686-5c8f-433b-9b11-9e228298158e@googlegroups.com> <87k2u96jms.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <06f8a6f9-d219-4d40-b9ac-8518e93839bd@googlegroups.com> <87y4io63jy.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <7a29d3e9-d1bd-4f4a-b1a6-14d3e1a83a4d@googlegroups.com> <87mvz36fen.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> <2215b44f-8a89-47c6-a4c4-52b74d2dac45@googlegroups.com> <9e492c82-868d-43d3-a18a-38274400e337@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40184feb-4053-4ac3-8eaa-c3bd9cd8a77c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: If not Ada, what else... From: Serge Robyns Injection-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:19:44 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 4060 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3188697125 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26832 Date: 2015-07-16T13:19:43-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, 13 July 2015 16:16:11 UTC+2, David Botton wrote: > > Um, no. Adding enum class was a baby step in the right direction. I'm= a bit surprised though that range-based for loops don't work over an enum = class. Seems there's interest in doing so: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8498300/allow-for-range-based-for-wi= th-enum-classes >=20 >=20 > What I don't understand is why the C++ communities doesn't just adopt D a= s a replacement and finish. While D is certainly not Ada it is for sure wha= t C++ should be. >=20 > In both cases C++ and D, neither "got it" in terms of the importance of t= ypes and how they improve the overall contracts in all software development= and increase its robustness in ways the current cruches they add can not. >=20 > There just is not imperative language outside Ada that has understood the= types and compile type checks for types is the real magic for efficiently = implemented robust software. >=20 > David Botton Dear David, I've been reading this thread with great attention, as I'm in the initial p= hase of a major project. My interest for Ada is as old my return from HP w= here I used to program there in a special version of Pascal that was used t= o write the MPE-XL OS. Since then only Ada fitted the bill of readable cod= e and reliability on top of that. (I've been looking at modula back then in= itially.) Now with this discussion regarding D and I even started looking at Go and I= 'm puzzled. I've read there that some people consider D dead. Moreover, I= 'm not sure I can use D on all the platform I'm aiming at. In a nutshell I= need an environment that helps me writing code right from inception (the r= ange type example is one of these things I like in Ada), supports reliable = concurrent programming, can read XML (without needing DOM), interface to Or= acle and other RDBMS, and compile native code for Linux, AIX, Solaris and o= thers .... I'm not sure D fits the complete bill and believe Ada still exceeds.