From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38159b1b5557a2e7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-19 05:28:31 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <400BDB7C.40100@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why ada is so unpopular ? References: <49cbf610.0401170627.79c3dfe5@posting.google.com> <400A9B48.3060100@noplace.com> <400BD4B5.6000307@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:28:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.2.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1074518910 209.165.2.11 (Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:28:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:28:30 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4553 Date: 2004-01-19T13:28:30+00:00 List-Id: Preben Randhol wrote: > > Well if you look at Java you see that the GUI isn't the same in all > platforms and IMHO the GUI is butt-ugly. > Java's GUI may or may not be butt-ugly. But one thing it is: It's _Java's_ GUI and as it evolves, Java users pretty much get full access to whatever new features are added without having to wait for some binding to catch up. > The only benifit of a special Ada GUI would be portability and not > having to use C library. > Portability would be one thing, but not the only thing. "Product Distinction" would be another: An Ada GUI could go its own way and do things "The Ada Way" from the programmer's perspective and might even provide a unique "Look & Feel" to Ada apps. (People might then actually *care* that their apps were done with Ada, eh?) You'd also benefit from the fact that (as observed above for Java) it would be _Ada's_ GUI and there would be no waiting around for some binding to catch up. It goes its own direction, develops its own look-and-feel and might start developing features that user's of other languages would wish *they* had available to them. (Hint: Switch to Ada and you can have them.) I've tinkered with GtkAda and - while it is a good and useful thing - I can observe that there seem to be some features that Gtk has (under Gnome?) that are simply not available through GtkAda. One might want to use those features - but its either roll your own, wait for GtkAda to catch up or go use C/C++ like the entire rest of the world does. What do you suppose most programmers do? (Hint: Look at the relative popularity of C/C++ to that of Ada.) This is always the problem that Ada has with bindings, etc. It's playing the "Me Too!!!!" catch-up game. The best you can hope for then is to come in second-place. That's why Ada ought to be developing a library of its own to supply a GUI and the other things that seem to come along for the ride with C++ or Java. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Face it ladies, its not the dress that makes you look fat. Its the FAT that makes you look fat." -- Al Bundy ======================================================================