From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7f2ce8bda9cae4ab X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!0e8a908a!not-for-mail From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: "Must instantiate controlled types at library level." Why? References: <13392802.3gDeTK7ybb@linux1.krischik.com> <2780491.NPbR8AFya6@linux1.krischik.com> <11924003.IfRfnULeIG@linux1.krischik.com> <1676457.GMYvKY1ieA@linux1.krischik.com> <1616198.O4tUV8TdF7@linux1.krischik.com> <87lljuvd6j.fsf@insalien.org> <874qqgpjok.fsf@insalien.org> In-Reply-To: <874qqgpjok.fsf@insalien.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <3tVpc.34871$vz5.29965@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 02:30:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.237.243.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1084761023 68.237.243.114 (Sun, 16 May 2004 22:30:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 22:30:23 EDT Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:619 Date: 2004-05-17T02:30:23+00:00 List-Id: Ludovic Brenta wrote: > You are not being helpful to anyone with this comment. If you think I > am ignorant, please explain why, or otherwise give me one good reason > not to put your name in my kill file. Oh, by all means put my name in your kill file! But OK. You state that "The std::vector template class is not a first-class citizen". I haven't a clue as to what that might mean. All a std::vector really is in implementation is a record conatining a length and a couple of pointers. You can pass it and return it by value. It's as "first-class" as anything else in the language. You also say "you may very well have a std::vector* which really points to an array of vectors, and you'd be back to square one". Well, it's certainly true that one could declare an array of std::vector, but it would be an awfully strange application that used one of these. Claiming that the possibility of such a construct puts you "back to square one" is simply ridiculous. With nonsensical claims like these, the only C++ programmers you have a chance of attracting are the ones who are ignorant in the language they are using. You are welcome to them, but I doubt that they'll do much for Ada either. C++ programmers who understand the language will shrug off your comments as ignorant bashing.