From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.129.132.201 with SMTP id u192mr760393ywf.13.1446995191110; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 07:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.125.229 with SMTP id mt5mr282089obb.18.1446995191056; Sun, 08 Nov 2015 07:06:31 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!m48no6080421qgd.0!news-out.google.com!l1ni50igd.0!nntp.google.com!i2no1287818igv.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 07:06:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1150435496.468642767.023613.yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=123.2.70.40; posting-account=S_MdrwoAAAD7T2pxG2e393dk6y0tc0Le NNTP-Posting-Host: 123.2.70.40 References: <649162553.468471915.098991.foo@ios.app.newstap> <60a07581-891f-411c-b3ce-22eaf5119279@googlegroups.com> <1407020961.468638712.030899.yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net> <6b04ef32-4cf3-4f29-b5bd-e5ea52637e03@googlegroups.com> <1150435496.468642767.023613.yaldnif.w-blueyonder.co.uk@news.individual.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3f7384c9-4260-4fa6-8c12-7b9e76fe82c9@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ee9 V2.0, the GNU Ada KDF9 emulator From: robin.vowels@gmail.com Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 15:06:31 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Received-Bytes: 4456 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3209858442 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:28276 Date: 2015-11-08T07:06:30-08:00 List-Id: On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:52:32 PM UTC+11, Bill Findlay wrote: > wrote: > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 12:34:11 PM UTC+11, Bill Findlay wrote: > >> wrote: > >>> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 2:11:52 PM UTC+11, Bill Findlay wrote: > >>>> .. is now available for OSX, Windows, Linux 32 & 64 bit, and Raspberry Pi, > >>>> at: > >>>> > >>>> http://www.findlayw.plus.com/KDF9/#Emulator > >>> > >>> The URL says : > >>> "KDF9 was one of the first computers to support Algol 60, ..." > >>> > >>> In fact, the implementors of the KDF9 Algol compiler > >>> adapted that compiler to run on DEUCE, before the KDF9 was available, > >>> in order to test the design. > >>> (you might recall that the KDF9 was running late). > > > >> And you might recall what "one of" means. > >> > >> The website at the URL also says: "[the KDF9 Algol project] engendered > >> Algol 60 implementations on many other computers, including the EE DEUCE, I know that, because I read it there. > > DEUCE Algol PREceded KDF9 Algol, as I said. > > The X1 Algol compiler (1961, if not earlier) preceded KDF9 > > [and upon which the KDF9 Algol was based]. > > I am fully aware of those facts and they do not contradict anything I have > said or implied. The X1 Algol compiler was available in 1960. > > And you might recall that "engendered" is the term used, > > and does not list other Algol implementations. > > ?? then what are these: Those are "engendered" translators. I referred to compilers that were not inspired by KDF9 Algol, and include, for example Elliott 803 Algol, produced early in 1962. > >> the Ferranti Pegasus, the NPL ACE, the EE KDF6, the Soviet Minsk range, the > >> EE System 4/50, the IBM System 360/25, the Phillips PRS8000, the Elliott > >> 903, and the Indian ECIL TDC-316." > > > > Some of these post-date KDF9 Algol. > > You don't say! > > > ACE - 1955 > > the NPL ACE did not exist in 1955. Of course not. I quoted the wrong date. > Perhaps you confuse it with the Pilot ACE, > which did not have an Algol compiler. I know that. > You seem remarkably keen to pick a fight over something I did not say. I'm not picking a fight. Sorry of that was the impression. > As it happens I have personal contact with Brian Randell, one of the > authors of DEUCE/KDF9 Algol and am well aware of its history. I too have had contact with Brian Randell over, perhaps, a decade. It was I who acquainted him with the fact that there was an ALGOL compiler for DEUCE, as he said that he had forgotten that he had written it. I provided him with published references to the DEUCE Algol compiler being used for validating ALGOL programs. > Had you investigated my website instead of jumping to peevish conclusions, > you would have found a DEUCE Algol document dated 1963, some months > before the first KDF9 was delivered. In my earlier post (in this thread) I drew your attention to the DEUCE ALGOL report published in February 1962.