From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-30 06:29:50 PST From: "Tarjei T. Jensen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> Subject: Re: Ideas for Ada 200X MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1.akermar.com Message-ID: <3ed75cc3$1@news.wineasy.se> X-Original-Trace: 30 May 2003 14:29:39 +0100, pc1.akermar.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@songnetworks.se NNTP-Posting-Host: news.wineasy.se X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.wineasy.se Date: 30 May 2003 14:29:40 +0100 X-Trace: wineasy!newsfeed.wineasy.se!news.sto.telegate.se 1054301380 news.wineasy.se (30 May 2003 14:29:40 +0100) X-Complaints-To: abuse@songnetworks.se Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!peer2.news.opaltelecom.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.nacamar.de!uio.no!193.75.75.20.MISMATCH!news.eunet.no!news.powertech.no!newsfeed1.e.nsc.no!nsc.no!nextra.com!newsfeed1.wineasy.se.MISMATCH!wineasy!newsfeed.wineasy.se!news.sto.telegate.se!news.wineasy.se!not-for-mail Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:38091 Date: 2003-05-30T14:29:40+01:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > Well, given that we can't correct the past to be what we want it to be, > how would we go about trying to fix the situation now? Is there a > credible "going forward" plan that might have enough support from > interested Ada parties that it might conceivably work? The only workable plan I know of involves me having an job in academia and farming out projects to students. Since I'm not in academia the plan sinks (or stinks). > I would think it might be possible to get some sort of small team > together that could do work to extend the capabilities of Ada, but it > would require a) some amount of funding and b) some agreement on the > part of vendors, et alia, to accept and use the result. I'm sure there > are many folks who would volunteer *some* time and effort to produce > something, but most folks have day jobs and can't devote sufficient time > to it unless there is some remuneration involved. If funding could be > found to support a team of 3 to 4 people for a year or two and the rest > was fleshed out by volunteer efforts, we might be able to come up with > some collection of libraries that the vendors might be willing to > package with their products (Or at least point to as "The Conventional > Ada Library") It is workable, but I doubt that the vendors will get involved unless there is a hard specification involved. It might work if a group consisting of people in academia and commercial companies got together and created specifications for student (and madman) projects as part of a library. The idea is that these people would be available (at least in the evenings) when the students need help or guidance. > Ideas? Suggestions? Or is it doomed to fail? Probably, but not because it is a bad idea. Just because the vendors seems to be uninterested in general computing. greetings,