From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,3488d9e5d292649f X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,e6a2e4a4c0d7d8a6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-21 14:14:37 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!telocity-west!DIRECTV!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" Newsgroups: comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of PL/I as a viable language Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:16:36 -0500 Organization: Atid/2 Message-ID: <3e568925$6$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> References: <3E51908E.9CCA3412@adaworks.com> <8Gh4a.7455$_c6.743959@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3E51ABCE.5491B9A2@adaworks.com> <3E5273DE.2050206@cox.net> <3E531E6F.BDFB2599@adaworks.com> <3E546C45.4010406@cox.net> <3E54F926.441D5BB5@adaworks.com> <1045763933.848350@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Cise: tanbanso@iinet.net.au X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-Coriate: admin@interspeed.co.nz X-Ecrate: tanandtanlawyers.com X-Punge: Micro$oft X-Sanguinate: themvsguy@email.com X-Terminate: SPA(GIS) X-Tinguish: Mark Griffith X-Treme: C&C,DWS X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.31a/31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.pl1:4413 comp.lang.ada:34400 Date: 2003-02-21T15:16:36-05:00 List-Id: In <1045763933.848350@master.nyc.kbcfp.com>, on 02/20/2003 at 12:58 PM, Hyman Rosen said: >The problem is that those errors which are caught are gross errors of >coding - buffer overruns, null pointer accesses, arithmetic overflow, >etc. But serious errors in complex software aren't caused (only) by >these sorts of errors. True. But a huge proportion of the exploits in Internet software rely on buffer underruns, which wouldn't exist in a language like Ada that has an equivalent to SUBSCRIPTRANGE. And, yes, the checking can be turned off in Ada, but I would hope that such an abomination would never get through code review. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org