From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-19 04:32:54 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!iridium.webone.com.au From: "Alan and Carmel Brain" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Engineers Pay Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:17:19 +1100 Organization: Web One Internet http://webone.com.au Message-ID: <3e2a9af2$1@iridium.webone.com.au> References: <3E171612.E4E2972@t-online.de> <3E296128.4183B70A@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: iridium.webone.com.au X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 1042979573 28191 210.8.44.3 (19 Jan 2003 12:32:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 2003 12:32:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-ctb0385.webone.com.au X-Original-Trace: 19 Jan 2003 23:32:50 +1000, dial-ctb0385.webone.com.au Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33201 Date: 2003-01-19T12:32:53+00:00 List-Id: "John R. Strohm" wrote in message > In the United States, with all overhead considered, a good engineer costs > his employer on the rough order of $250,000 per year In Australia, with all overhead, taxes, insurance, etc etc it's about USD $60,000. That's assuming 10+ years experience. Graduates - half that. Of course, the actual pay (before taxes) is about 2/3 of those figures. Actual case: programmer with 20+ years, including 15+ of Ada-83 and Ada-95, several successful projects under his belt, salary $80,000 AUD or just over $40,000 USD. Cost of employment, about $115,000 AUD (it's an efficient firm, but his pay's way above average.). This BTW makes selling software productivity enhancement tools *hard*. Something that doubles productivity had better cost less than USD $250,000 per bum-on-seat or it won't pay off before it's obsolete. This is for firms that are at CMM 3 and above (in practice, anyway). For a 10% improvement, the cost had better be less than USD $20,000.