From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.107.175.131 with SMTP id p3mr21848063ioo.31.1522247040979; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:730a:: with SMTP id e10-v6mr1110128otk.8.1522247040680; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!u184-v6no6311709ita.0!news-out.google.com!u64-v6ni2074itb.0!nntp.google.com!199-v6no6274703itl.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3c3d7301-c0dd-4953-bce1-5ac4050457a8@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: requiring Ada(2020?) in self-driving autonomous automobiles From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:24:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51232 Date: 2018-03-28T07:24:00-07:00 List-Id: https://quality-one.com/iatf-16949 Ada(2020?) and perhaps, say, DO-178B/C would need to be made a de facto min= imum-best-practices requirement in the IATF 16949 community in the drive-by= -wire and autonomous automotive industry. http://www.fcanorthamerica.com/company/leadership/Pages/Management.aspx Scott R. Garberding is the chief quality-management officer at Fiat-Chrysle= r America. https://www.gm.com/company/leadership/corporate-officers.html Mark Reuss is the chief quality-management officer at General Motors. https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/people/linda-cash.html Linda Cash in the chief quality-management officer at Ford. http://ir.tesla.com/management.cfm It is unclear who acts as the chief quality-management officer at Telsa. L= ikely, either J.B. Straubel or Elon Musk himself. https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/quality-assurance-and-quality-managem= ent http://www.iatfglobaloversight.org/oem-requirements/customer-specific-requi= rements It is unclear whether Tesla views itself as adhering to IATF 16949 (which = conforms to my summary of the voluntary-membership-in-effectively-guilds su= mmary of the USA's regulatory system of technology. For the Ubers & Googles of the world, there appears to be little evidence o= f their own voluntary adherence to any rigorous quality-management regimes,= such as IATF 16949. Although in Uber's case, it is conceivable that Uber = is participating in IATF 16949 via Ford-subsidiary Volvo's activity in IATF= 16949, depending on how =E2=80=9Cbase vehicle=E2=80=9D is defined to inclu= de or exclude the autonomous self-driving hardware & software on those vehi= cles: http://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/7180/volvo-and-uber-partner-fo= r-self-driving-cars https://www2.deloitte.com/insights/us/en/focus/future-of-mobility/mobility-= ecosystem-future-of-auto-insurance.html?id=3Dus:2ps:3bi:confidence:eng:cons= :::na:vvsboamD:1077703202:76622248597681:bb:Future_of_Mobility:Auto_Insuran= ce_BMM:nb&msclkid=3Dbc7f9b7e6a5b15731e6bc1c5f569f859 A summary of the future of property-casualty automotive insurance as self-d= riving autonomous vehicles (and ride-sharing fleets) increase in the future= . Who pays for automotive insurance in the future and does the manufacture= r of the autonomous-vehicle control cause drastically-different premium rat= es? (It should; the Ada & DO-179B/C communities would need to drive that p= oint home.) https://globalnews.ca/news/3270429/self-driving-cars-insurance-liability Insurance companies can very much be taught about deep design flaws in hack= ery and nonrigorous quality-management regimes. The true driver of a wreck= ed autonomous self-drive automobile is the software & hardware manufacturer= of the self-driving control system. When the wreck is the self-driving so= ftware/hardware's fault, then that autonomous-control-system manufacturer h= ad better have deep pockets like something resembling malpractice/bonded in= surance commonplace in the medical & licensed-professional-engineer industr= ies. The most-expedient way to eliminate cavalier yahoo hackery in the sof= tware for self-driving autonomous automobiles is to financially drive them = out of business by excessive liability burden and other excessive fees tied= to their cavalier yahoo hackery. Even better if this message can be publi= cized with the general public via, say, the insurance industry. These are the beginnings of points of contacts for the Ada ARG to reach out= and influence the North American and European automobile manufacturers (ev= en the ones without much self-driven autonomous vehicle footprint) to crack= down on the cavalier yahoos in their industry. Likewise these are the beg= innings of points of contacts for the Ada ARG to reach out to the property-= casualty automotive insurance industry to educate them on which technologic= al regimes are safe self-drivers and which technological regimes are analog= ous to a drunk driver, and that their premiums should be low or punitive de= pending on the technology & quality-management regime inside the self-drivi= ng autonomous control-system software & hardware. Punitive insurance premi= ums will quickly drive cavalier yahoo software out of the marketplace, towa= rd the strongly-preferred-by-cheaper-premiums Ada-based and DO-178B/C-based= self-driving autonomous control-systems. Indeed, by bringing in IATF 16949 luminaries (and perhaps even property-cas= ualty automotive insurance luminaries) in now during the Ada2020 process, A= da2020 can be crafted to do precisely what Randy seeks: be the crowning ac= hievement for total-quality-management in self-driving autonomous vehicles.= (Or the ARG can work heads down on Ada2020's provably-correct tasking wit= hout connecting the dots with the quality-management and insurance-industry= people, and then Ada2020 can appear as a coulda-woulda-shoulda footnote in= some automotive-industry history book 30 years from now, somewhat the way = MULTICS is now in the history of operating-system-feature advances.)