From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7ee10ec601726fbf X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-10-09 01:14:06 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news1.fra.nextra.com!nextra.com!demon.net.MISMATCH!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!pipehawk.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: john.mccabe@emrad.com.nospam (John McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: is Ada dying? Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:13:25 GMT Organization: Emrad Ltd Message-ID: <3bc2b008.1326667@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3bc16680.2581922@news.demon.co.uk> <6gpw7.42573$jE3.4985089@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pipehawk.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pipehawk.demon.co.uk:158.152.226.81 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1002615218 nnrp-02:515 NO-IDENT pipehawk.demon.co.uk:158.152.226.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13992 Date: 2001-10-09T08:13:25+00:00 List-Id: On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:53:22 +0100, "martin.m.dowie" wrote: >Yes, I have, my sporatic job survey if full of potential holes. My >one potentially saving grace is that the same assumptions are made >about each language I sampled. Good point. >The www.cw360.com survey is, I suspect, much more reliable and >they too have noticed the same trends (i.e. Ada up 40% every quarter >for the last year, C++ about 50% down, Java about 40% down - >working from memory here...). I seem to remember a survey in Computer Contractor or something like that (may have been Computing, the BCS mag) that said Ada demand was up. Again, although demand may be up, it may just be because supply has dropped. Occam's still in demand in various places, but nobody wants to do it, so it remains in demand! >> Borehamwood: Easams > >Most likely ALSTOM May be - I'm not sure what happened to Easams with the GEC-Marconi/BAe merger/takeover. >Well, some of the biggest projects coming up in the UK defence are >actually going to expand on their use of Ada from previous projects >and these are the sort of projects that will keep you employed for the >rest of your working life (assuming your 20+ years old), if you play >your cards right. So, I wouldn't worry about that tooo much about >the future. :-) Yes but who wants to spend 20 years on one project - certainly not me! I want to be in a position to move around when I get bored with what I'm currently doing, and Ada really isn't going to afford me that opportunity. >Why do you consider getting security clearance such a big drag? Once >you have it you get it renewed every few year after filling in the same >form. Unless you have something hid of course?... ;-) I don't find security clearance a problem personally - mine's just been renewed (I believe they do a maximum 3 years for contractors and 10 years for permie staff), but apparently it expires after 6 months in a non-secure environment. It is then a fag to get it redone because you have to start from scratch. This probably accounts for some of the demand for Ada contractors because many of the companies using Ada need to get staff in quickly and they can't afford the wait until security clearance is sorted out for currently insecure :-) people. I have known people to have started on restricted projects without security clearance being completed though.