From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,27539c823b51b306 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-20 15:56:57 PST Reply-To: "Andrzej Lewandowski" From: "Andrzej Lewandowski" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> <9lroc412oq7@enews2.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Ada vendors and the art of selling used cars Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:56:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-12-64-175-240.mis.prserv.net Message-ID: <3b8194f3_2@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 20 Aug 2001 22:53:39 GMT, slip-12-64-175-240.mis.prserv.net Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news3.prserv.net!slip-12-64-175-240.mis.prserv.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12152 Date: 2001-08-20T18:56:58-05:00 List-Id: "those who know me have no need of my name" wrote in message news:9lroc412oq7@enews2.newsguy.com... > <3b7fdb8a_2@news3.prserv.net> divulged: > > >Could you please publish price list of your products? > > > >With notable exception of R.R. Software that makes the price list public, > >any attempt to know the cost of tools from other vendors results in "you > >will be contacted by our sales representative". The very first attempt of > >such sales representative is investigating the depth of my pocket. Usual > >question is "what for you will be using our product?" that generates my > >standard answer: "not your f...g business". > > i think you'll find that the main reason is that they feel that the bare > price would scare you off. the rep wants to talk to you about some things, > during which he'll point out just how much ada is worth to your project. > at which point the price is likely to be acceptable, or at least not as > mind boggling. I DON'T want sales rep to teach me software engineering and son't want him telling me what is good for me. I am mature enough, and he has NO CLUE. However, when I am starting a project and I am considering a new tool, I want just a rough estimate what will be the cost. I don't want to call sales rep, waste his time, create expectations, and have him calling me every 3 days during next 6 month. I can buy any other tool just visiting web page and giving them my credit card number. I don't see any reason why Ada must be an exception. Ach... By the way, Ada vendors, it happens that some projects are REALLY small and we have just 1 (yes, one) Ada developer. In such a case we are not ready to accept the reality that "the minimum number of seats is 5". We just walk away.... and stay with Java... A.L