From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-07 14:37:39 PST Reply-To: "Andrzej Lewandowski" From: "Andrzej Lewandowski" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3B460DA9.C2965042@ix.netcom.com> <9ff447f2.0107061757.34ca0723@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: is ada dead? Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:37:34 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-12-64-163-133.mis.prserv.net Message-ID: <3b47806a_4@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 7 Jul 2001 21:34:34 GMT, slip-12-64-163-133.mis.prserv.net Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!news3.prserv.net!slip-12-64-163-133.mis.prserv.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9615 Date: 2001-07-07T17:37:34-05:00 List-Id: "Adrian Hoe" wrote in message news:9ff447f2.0107061757.34ca0723@posting.google.com... > Lao Xiao Hai wrote in message news:<3B460DA9.C2965042@ix.netcom.com>... > Ada is dead in Malaysia. One of UTM's (University of Technology > Malaysia) KL campus was teaching and promoting Ada with a lot of > confidence couple years ago when they were a joint-venture with > Thomson CSF. Recently, I found that they had deserted Ada and switch > to Java for the reason that there is no Ada market in Malaysia. > ANother reason came from one of the senior lecturer was that Ada was > too old. I told the senior lecturer I could not believe what he was > saying because they were so confident about Ada. [....] > In universities (Malaysian, Ok?), programming languages are taught not > because of teching the students of programming concepts, but for the > sake of market requirement. That's the most pathetic and irresponsible > decision. You are in a good society. I was once teaching Real Time Programming and was using Ada. This was at not that bad U.S. University. Once, after the end of semester students brought to the Dean collection of Classified from local newspapers and asked him to find at least one job as that would require Ada. Dean was smart enough to send them away. And was smart enough to have a nice chat with me. And I was smart enough to spend the whole summer converting my course from Ada to C. This decision was not irresponsible and pathetic. There is a job market for Ada programmers, but very (VERY) small compared to say, C++, Java, VB or COBOL. Students invest quite substantial amount of money to get a degree, and yes, they expect that this investment will bring some return. Generally, there is little room to study for "scientific pleasure". They are studying to get skills that will position them well on the job market. They will not learn Ada just this is a "better language". They will study the language that is visible on the market. What regards using Ada in the industry: nothing will change if the average cost of SUPPORTED Ada tools is in high 5 digit range. Yes, Ada is better than, say, Java, at least for some tasks, but I cannot justify the cost just to have a pleasure of working with "better language". Nothing will change if Ada vendors don't drop one zero from their price list. A.L.