From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-24 15:52:50 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy References: <9gsvr7$7ho$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9folnd$1t8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B1FE1FE.B49AE27F@noaa.gov> <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Mail-Copies-To: nobody Organization: Atid/2 X-Cise: "Tony Schliesser" X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-Coriate: NCAE@NewAmerica.org X-Ecrate: Bob Germer X-Punge: Micro$oft X-Sanguinate: themvsguy@email.com X-Terminate: SPA(GIS) Message-ID: <3b366a2b$6$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.28a/28 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:31:07 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 993423168 206.55.10.86 (Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:52:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:52:48 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9080 comp.lang.java.programmer:78435 comp.lang.pl1:1118 comp.lang.vrml:3904 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21826 Date: 2001-06-24T18:31:07-04:00 List-Id: In , on 06/19/2001 at 08:21 AM, lesbell@nospam.lesbell.com.au said: >"Marin David Condic" wrote: >I seem to be getting misunderstood for reasons I don't comprehend. You haven't been misunderstood, you've been corrected. Your knowledge of DP history is faulty, and you haven't paid attention to those who were there in the old days and told you the reality. >We >*used*to* have centralized computing. What you mean "we", kimosabi? As I said, it's not a question of misunderstanding you, it's a question of correcting you. Maybe you worked at a shop that had centralized computing, although I doubt it. Such shops were not the norm. >What I *am* saying is that we once had a centralized model and opted >out of it And as long as you keep saying something demonstrably false your conclusions remain suspect. The industry has had both decentralized development on centralized hardware and centralized development on decentralized hardware for as long as I can remember. Centralization of one does not, has not and will not imply centralization of the other. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 Team OS/2 Team PL/I Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org -----------------------------------------------------------