From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 1158e3,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gid1158e3,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,c9f2b97a84c48976 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-20 17:59:33 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,ccomp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml,comp.lang.java.advocacy References: <9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b24dc21$1@news.tce.com> <3B25D5FB.15C9B240@dresdner-bank.com> <9g5as6$hbq$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g5ipg$roq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g614i$at4$1@magnum.mmm.com> <9g7r02$mni$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9g840k$qjt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <40gfitgrvd8cgu27r3vfib6eptmapb3pfl@4ax.com> <9g8lrk$37c$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B2B6D5E.F9AE7CAB@mail.com> <9gl0sh$9gq$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3b2f40fc$7$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> <9gnn8m$979$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3B30C75D.2020507@earthlink.net> <9gqkhf$c10$1@nh.pace.co.uk> From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" Subject: Re: Market pressures for more reliable software Mail-Copies-To: nobody Organization: Atid/2 X-Cise: "Tony Schliesser" X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-Coriate: NCAE@NewAmerica.org X-Ecrate: Bob Germer X-Punge: Micro$oft X-Sanguinate: themvsguy@email.com X-Terminate: SPA(GIS) Message-ID: <3b3137d5$5$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.28a/28 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:55:01 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 993085150 206.55.10.86 (Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:59:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:59:10 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8954 comp.lang.java.programmer:77695 comp.lang.pl1:1108 comp.lang.vrml:3898 comp.lang.java.advocacy:21539 Date: 2001-06-20T19:55:01-04:00 List-Id: In <9gqkhf$c10$1@nh.pace.co.uk>, on 06/20/2001 at 12:55 PM, "Marin David Condic" said: >Well, the point was, at one time lots (if not most or all) of the >computing was done in some centralized manner. You had a mainframe to >which you connected and on that mainframe was where you had your data >and programs. That much is correct. However, it does not imply that maintenance of either the data or the programs was centralized. >You didn't need to ask permission of some central DP organization to >get something done (change software, update data, make backups, get >more disk quota, etc.) You just up and did it - including deciding >if you wanted to buy a new version of some software product or just >live with what you have. Are you saying that you didn't have to budget for additional hardware, personnel, etc.? On the centralized mainframe you were already free to get something done (change software, update data, make backups, get more disk quota, etc.) The only difference was that some things were done automatically, e.g., periodic backups. >Now Bill Gates, et alia, are suggesting that you go back to the old >model No such thing; he wants to go to a model that has never existed. >(That's basically what you had >in the old days, right? Wrong. The DP staff had to answer to the users. Gill bates doesn't want that. The users were able to buy other software and install it themselves if they could afford it. He certainly doesn't want that. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 Team OS/2 Team PL/I Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org -----------------------------------------------------------