From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,PDS_BTC_ID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10ad19,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10ad19,public X-Google-Thread: 11440e,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid11440e,public X-Google-Thread: 107a89,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid107a89,public X-Google-Thread: 1073c2,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073c2,public X-Google-Thread: 10a146,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a146,public X-Google-Thread: 101deb,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid101deb,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,23963231b5359f74 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-07 04:39:47 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!easynews!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.awk,comp.lang.clarion,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.lang.pl1,comp.lang.vrml References: <83WP6.3874$yc6.728572@news.xtra.co.nz> <3B1411D0.3AAF42E7@ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9f2nks$ibd$0@dosa.alt.net> <3B177EF7.2A2470F4@facilnet.es> <9f8b7b$h0e$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9f8r0i$lu3$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fgagu$6ae$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9fjgha$blf$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com> From: "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" Subject: Re: Long names are doom ? Mail-Copies-To: nobody Organization: Atid/2 X-Cise: "Tony Schliesser" X-CompuServe-Customer: Yes X-Coriate: NCAE@NewAmerica.org X-Ecrate: Bob Germer X-Punge: Micro$oft X-Sanguinate: themvsguy@email.com X-Terminate: SPA(GIS) Message-ID: <3b1ee4f1$3$fuzhry$mr2ice@va.news.verio.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.28a/28 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 22:20:32 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.55.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 991913986 206.55.10.86 (Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:39:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:39:46 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ruby:10449 comp.lang.ada:8302 comp.lang.awk:2845 comp.lang.clarion:21303 comp.lang.java.programmer:74368 comp.lang.pl1:844 comp.lang.vrml:3586 Date: 2001-06-06T22:20:32-04:00 List-Id: In <35mqhtkdfma2rggv1htcaq6vfn2ihs67a1@4ax.com>, on 06/05/2001 at 04:08 PM, Pete Thompson said: >I feel the same way about code: being verbose is all well and good, >but pointless verbosity can do more harm than good. Pointless *anything* in code can do more harm then good, especially pointless terseness. >Does it really make sense to make your code as >newbie-ish as possible for them? Why are you equating "readable" with "newbie"? I've been at this for decades, and in my experience one of the signs of a newbie is that he doesn't understand the importance of readable and maintainable code. Please note that neither "terse" nor "verbose" will satisfy the requirement; it has to be readable. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 Team OS/2 Team PL/I Any unsolicited commercial junk E-mail will be subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. I mangled my E-mail address to foil automated spammers; reply to domain acm dot org user shmuel to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org -----------------------------------------------------------