From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-08 00:32:03 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!news.minvenw.nl!not-for-mail From: rschroder@usa.net (ronald schroder) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 07:23:27 GMT Organization: Ministerie van V&W Message-ID: <3af79d85.1462818@news.minvenw.nl> References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9d867n$ort13@news.kvaerner.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 145.50.196.168 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7311 comp.lang.lisp:9814 comp.lang.smalltalk:9563 comp.lang.functional:5566 comp.lang.scheme:3681 comp.lang.perl:2692 Date: 2001-05-08T07:23:27+00:00 List-Id: On Tue, 8 May 2001 09:11:46 +0200, "Tarjei T. Jensen" wrote: >But none of these are any improvement on Ada or sufficiently different to be >of paedagogic value. Well, perhaps Delphi for a windows project to >familiarize student with windows programming. > I was taught Pascal in the early days, in the tradition set by professor Edsger W. Dijkstra et al., and it didn't hurt me. Pascal can be a very paedogogic language, was indeed designed to be just that. And I still use Delphi, even like it. Scheme was a fourth or fifth language for me and I like it, but I wouldn't deem it proper for a first course. Procedural programming IS a low level business, but it helps us to see that computers do what we tell them, not what we want them to do. Ronald Schr�der