From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,1e3f2eac5c026e3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-17 05:35:12 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!zeus.visi.com!priapus.visi.com!orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FE05B88.1070701@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Job Market, Was: Re: SIGada Conference References: <1241654d.0312151501.262b3bd0@posting.google.com> <3FDF0457.70601@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:35:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.66.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1071668112 165.247.66.22 (Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:35:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:35:12 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3503 Date: 2003-12-17T13:35:12+00:00 List-Id: My gut reaction based on prior searches of Monster, et alia, would make 5% sound optimistic. It would also likely be *very* location sensitive since Ada has traditionally been employed largely with defense contractors and they're not spread across the U.S. evenly like peanut butter. But assume for a moment that this is true. C++ gets 50% and Ada gets 5%. Students exiting college are going to be looking for jobs. What skill set will they likely want to have in order to face that market? When companies start development of software related tools, will they be looking to satisfy the 5% market or the 50% market? This has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, so one should not look at it as doom and gloom, but rather as a warning. Unless Ada starts getting bigger numbers, all the incentives are to go with something else. People will go with a niche language if they think it is on the way *UP*, but not if it appears to be on the way *DOWN*. Hence, Ada needs to do something to excite the potential user community and create the impression of going somewhere *new* so it starts a "get on board" trend. MDC Simon Clubley wrote: > > > If you have a copy of Dr Dobb's Journal for October 2003, have a look at > page 52. > > The author has done an analysis of job offers for the period July 2002 to > June 2003 that specified programming language requirements. > > I won't post the table (because I'm not sure what the copyright issues are, > and anyway it's a detailed table), but the author's table claims[1] that Ada > is running around the 5% mark (+/- 1%) for much of that period. > > It was interesting to note however that it increased a couple of percent > in May/June 2003. > > For comparison C++ is running at around the 50% (+/- several %) mark, and > Pascal is running at around 0.2%. > > Simon. > > [1] I use "claims" because I am finding it hard to believe that 5% of all > programming jobs specify Ada, however nice that would be. My viewpoint here > may be tainted by the fact that I am in the UK, and closer to 0% appears to > be a more accurate figure here. [Fortunately, my interest in Ada is more of > a personal interest...] > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================