From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,427fd748c30f7dfc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-17 05:19:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FE057D6.3030504@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Ada References: <3FD86D80.5000606@noplace.com> <3FD8AA39.4000503@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:19:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.66.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1071667166 165.247.66.22 (Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:19:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:19:26 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3501 Date: 2003-12-17T13:19:26+00:00 List-Id: Beyond pure nostalgia, I couldn't see much point. I don't have any software that requires a PDP-10 processor. I'd be curious about the logic of XKL in spending money to port to an architecture that is not likely to have much of a future in any commercial sense. Maybe there are still some PDP-10 users out there who still need some support, but it would seem that mostly they'd be looking for a migration path to some architecture with a future. To get back on topic: This is a lesson for Ada. It is facing obsolescence and is hanging on to a user base that is for the most part looking for migration paths to something "new" with more "industry support". (This is what I'm hearing from my customers at least.) If Ada doesn't want to be a museum piece right next to the PDP-10, it needs to find a way of exciting and attracting *new* users and *new* projects on a mass scale. MDC healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > > GCC, not GNAT is being ported to TOPS-20, XKL is paying for the port to run > on the XKL-1. There are still real PDP-10's running on the Internet, and > several emulated ones as well. If you're interested in PDP-10 emulation, > see my webpage at http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html, it also has > plenty of links to info on the real HW. As for how much of a userbase, I > don't really know, but it is interesting to note that XKL is rumored to be > working on an XKL-2. For that matter there are a couple of Hobbyists > building their own PDP-10 based systems out of FPGA's. I gather some of the > SC-20's and SC-30's are still in use as well. All the genuine DEC CPU's and > the Flooney's seem to have been retired. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================