From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-20 05:37:50 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FBCC3A0.8070209@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Re-Marketing Ada (was "With and use") References: <3FB0B57D.6070906@noplace.com> <3FB22125.1040807@noplace.com> <3FB3751D.5090809@noplace.com> <3FB8B9BC.5040505@noplace.com> <3FBA1118.4060105@noplace.com> <0fxub.48425$bQ3.12107@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <3FBB6527.4040702@noplace.com> <3FBCB64F.90703@noplace.com> <323vb.3011$vz.284@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:37:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.25.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1069335469 209.165.25.252 (Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:37:49 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:37:49 EST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2733 Date: 2003-11-20T13:37:49+00:00 List-Id: Stephane Richard wrote: >>SIGAda might make a forum for doing it, but I'd think it would need a >>small team that was able to get together frequently to argue it out. It >>also would likely need a little representation from the vendors to gain >>some perspective on what customers might want. That would be a volunteer >>effort so it would take a long time before something got very large, but >>it would at least have some kind of official standing. >> >>MDC > > > *** I agree with you here, it would make a whole lot of sense. Here's the thing: I'd be willing to spend some time serving on a SIGAda committee to develop a library, but realistically, it would involve a bunch of guys from all over the place who could only communicate regularly via e-mail and maybe get together once or twice a year if they could fund their own travel. (Does anyone's company still support travel to SIGAda conferences?) I've been involved in this sort of attempt before where it was all e-mail and web pages and such and it never got anywhere. You need a *small* team of guys and they need to get together fairly regularly to have discussions and arguments about what it all ought to look like. Once you got some overall framework set and got a first-cut of a library going, *then* you could hand off individual pieces of work and do it over the internet. If I had a half-dozen people in my local area willing to do a SIGAda chapter & get to be a SIGAda committee on libraries, it might be practical. I'd even be able to host it at my company. The problem is that the interested parties are all scattered all over the world and you *really* would need to do some very regular meetings to get something off the ground. If I had a team locally and they were dedicated to getting a library going, I'd think that once a week for the first few months would be what was needed to get an all-volunteer library going. From there, it might be something needing less effort - or at least less face-to-face effort. There might be people willing to make the committment - especially if they saw an opportunity for some personal gain there - but despite technology, you still need to get together geographically. (Its really hard to get your fingers around someone's neck when they are a thousand miles away. :-) Maybe it is doable where someone has a "pocket of Ada" in a local area - some big company using Ada with at least a half-dozen die-hard fans willing to do that work. I don't see it here in Beautiful Downtown Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. There are a very small handful of Ada fans that I know, but they don't love Ada *that* much. :-) MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================