From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-19 04:42:28 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!news-xfer2.atl.newshosting.com!207.69.154.101.MISMATCH!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FBB6527.4040702@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Re-Marketing Ada (was "With and use") References: <3FB0B57D.6070906@noplace.com> <3FB22125.1040807@noplace.com> <3FB3751D.5090809@noplace.com> <3FB8B9BC.5040505@noplace.com> <3FBA1118.4060105@noplace.com> <0fxub.48425$bQ3.12107@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:42:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.69.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1069245747 165.247.69.35 (Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:42:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 04:42:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2671 Date: 2003-11-19T12:42:27+00:00 List-Id: They have a tool for that. Its called a "Programmer". ;-) Being able to bind to C/C++ libraries is nice and Ada can do that. Getting an automated tool isn't a bad thing, but I don't think that really makes Ada significantly more attractive. Ultimately, the user is still looking at the situation and asking why he has to use *two* languages instead of just one. You *never* get out of "catch up" mode and you're *never* offering something "unique" and "innovative" - just copying what someone else has done. Ultimately, what Ada needs is to have the same sort of libraries that C/C++ does but written directly in Ada and in Ada style. Don't duplicate - innovate. Ada doesn't have to have a parallel for *every* C/C++ library. It just needs to have parallels for the things that are most common in software development: Containers, GUI, Database... The fact that it doesn't have some Computational Fluid Dynamics package and C++ does is only going to piss off a really small number of programmers. Get the *critical* capabilities available in a standard way and offer some *innovation* there to make it attractive for new program development. MDC Stephane Richard wrote: > Maybe the Ada folks need to design a C/C++ to Ada > "binder", that is able to reliably take a C/C++ > include file, and generate a spec and body that > can be used by other Ada programs (in thinish > binding mode). -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================