From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-18 03:52:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FBA07DD.9030901@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Re-Marketing Ada (was "With and use") References: <3FB0B57D.6070906@noplace.com> <3FB22125.1040807@noplace.com> <3FB3751D.5090809@noplace.com> <3FB8B9BC.5040505@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:52:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.2.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1069156327 209.165.2.196 (Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:52:07 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:52:07 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2621 Date: 2003-11-18T11:52:07+00:00 List-Id: Given the lack of resources and the fact that it is a mistake to try to be all things to all people, I'd suggest not trying to address too many problem domains via anything in the standard. Math is nice because it can be well specified in a standard, portable and stable for many years. Something like XML would best be addressed by a library outside of the standard. (But from what we've seen, the vendors have little to no interest in a library, so that's problematic.) A standard GUI would be a good thing as well, but again, the place for that is a library. As for a name change - I don't think that would fool anyone. If you came up with a new language that had the basic capabilities of Ada, but did it in a different way, a name change would make sense. But if the syntax & semantics remain basically what we have now, changing the name wouldn't help much. Better to keep the existing name and try to do something to change the perception in the marketplace. "Its not your father's Oldsmobile..." or "Its not just for breakfast anymore..." Basically, Ada needs to come up with some new angle that makes it "New and Improved" - some interesting new capability that makes it attractive to a segment of the market. Then it needs to get out there and sell itself to that segment through some visible promotion effort. But I have every faith that the vendors and the ARG will basically maintain the status quo and not much will happen to change the general trend. MDC Marius Amado Alves wrote: > > I like that. I seem to remember that there was a PhD thesis with a lot > of math done in Ada recently (but I lost the reference). I must restate > also this: Ada On The Desktop = *reliable* desktop tools. And the XML > train (Bob Leif championed). I also like the name change idea someone > had a while ago. Let me suggest these: Xania, Xantia. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================