From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-12 04:01:47 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FB22125.1040807@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Clause "with and use" References: <3FACCBFB.9D288CF2@fakeaddress.nil> <3FAF8C99.5040201@noplace.com> <3FB0B57D.6070906@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:01:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.3.142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1068638507 209.165.3.142 (Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:01:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:01:47 EST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2406 Date: 2003-11-12T12:01:47+00:00 List-Id: Don't get marketing confused with advertising or sales. Marketing is supposed to find out what the customer wants and try to design products that will fit that need. Advertising and sales can be part of that effort, but is an after-the-fact add-on. People often confuse "Sales" with "Marketing" and the two are not the same. Yes, people will *lie* in sales and advertising - or at least attempt to mislead. That doesn't make it right, but lets at least give some credit to the people who do it well. Marketing, sales, advertising, etc., are all essential parts of running an effective business. It takes people with special skills and special training to do it - just like software designers, they are professionals too. If Ada had a better team and bigger budget to do this, it could be a dominant force in the language wars. MDC Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler wrote: > > And now someone will tell me how proper and real-world marketing > differs from that. ;) > > > Vinzent. -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================