From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-11 02:10:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FB0B57D.6070906@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Clause "with and use" References: <3FAAB12E.C7593B45@fakeaddress.nil> <3FACCBFB.9D288CF2@fakeaddress.nil> <3FAF8C99.5040201@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:10:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.1.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1068545411 209.165.1.239 (Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:10:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:10:11 EST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2330 Date: 2003-11-11T10:10:11+00:00 List-Id: There isn't anything wrong with "marketing" per se. It serves a useful purpose. But it isn't done by some manager getting into his head that "XYZ is what the public will love, so let's make our product have XYZ in it..." Marketing is done with research and statistics, among other tools. You don't *assume* that your potential customers want XYZ - you go find out for sure what they want by asking them. A fair approach would be to have a survey of some sample set of C/C++/Java users who had some familiarity with Ada and ask them if they would consider doing their next project in Ada if....... (fill in the blank with a number of possible changes) I'd imagine that doing so would likely reveal that either they'd not be willing to consider it at all, or they'd only consider it if there were such radical surgery on it that it basically stopped being Ada. Guesswork is interesting in a newsgroup, but deadly when trying to make major decisions about a product in a business environment. You don't guess at what is going to make your existing customers happy. You respond to their requests for changes based on the priorities they set. You also don't guess about what would attract new business from potential customers. You ask them what they'd want in your product and try to address the highest priorities they set. To do otherwise will have you bankrupt very quickly. MDC Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler wrote: > > So it seems that a whole bunch of Ada users have a hard time dealing > with manager's thinking and talking marketing speech. Oh, not that I > would actually miss that. :-P -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "Trying is the first step towards failure." -- Homer Simpson ======================================================================