From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-03 04:52:13 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peernews-us.colt.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FA64F74.7020903@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com><6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net><3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com><3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3FA5880E.5020104@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:52:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.247.65.133 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1067863932 165.247.65.133 (Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:52:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:52:12 EST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1966 Date: 2003-11-03T12:52:12+00:00 List-Id: Its not a failure to discover that the vendors have little to no interest in distributing a library. Not for us, at least. (I think its a failure for them - they'd better do *something* to make their products more attractive & interesting to the general computing world or they'd better start developing C++ or Java front-ends for their next generation products. Ooops! Some of them already *have*! ;-) What it means is that we've saved all sorts of effort charging off building a library only to discover that the vendors had little to no interest in distributing it. The next logical question would be "Is there enough interest in the general Ada community in a library built on something out there or all-new that provided something bigger than your basic container library?" There's no point in persuing it if nobody wants anything more than containers and they're happy to use whatever flavor of freebie download they like best. If the vendors don't want a CAL and the ARG doesn't want a CAL then there isn't much likelihood that a CAL is going to come about. The best you could hope for would be to find a way of funding the development of some library and market it as aggressively as you could with the hope that *most* users eventually got with it. Maybe ten years from now, the vendors or the ARG would get on board with it. If Ada has any users out there in another ten years. :-( MDC Stephane Richard wrote: > > Seems I've failed at my goal here :-). I wanted to cover the vendors side > not only as far as "investments" but also as far as possibility to incude > our effort in they distros, and attempt to get insight on what they want and > what they think their clients want. I have to agree with IRVINE that -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "So if I understand 'The Matrix Reloaded' correctly, the Matrix is basically a Microsoft operating system - it runs for a while and then crashes and reboots. By design, no less. Neo is just a memory leak that's too hard to fix, so they left him in... The users don't complain because they're packed in slush and kept sedated" -- Marin D. Condic ======================================================================