From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-28 15:37:45 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F9EFDC6.7050508@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? (The Big Player ACT) References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com><6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net><3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com><3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:37:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.28.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1067384264 209.165.28.8 (Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:37:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:37:44 EST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1792 Date: 2003-10-28T23:37:44+00:00 List-Id: So I feel a little vindicated. Here we have a vendor saying that they wouldnt' want something that was just slapped together from odds and ends collected from the Internet. They need something consistent and well documented. In all likelihood, ACT would not be unique in this respect. So again, I'd toss out the problem of "How do we put together such a library with little to no resources?" It might be possible to get something small going initially, but ultimately, it really has to be a professional, fully documented, high quality effort - not just something cobbled together from bits and pieces. I think there is hope in this message, but it demands something different than the existing proclaimed desires of "Lets get an all-volunteer effort together to build some library...". Whatever gets done is going to need some kind of professional look and feel that won't be accomplished by a bunch of rag-tag developers all submitting whatever they feel like building this week. It is a big undertaking that needs significant professionalism that I doubt is going to come from good intentions and spare time work. One other note: They are not seeing huge demand for some kind of big library like what might be found in Java, etc. If the end users start saying something along the lines of "We could use XYZ capability in a library somewhere..." and they were lobbying for it and willing to purchase support for it, then companies like ACT might be a little more motivated to do something about it. MDC Stephane Richard wrote: > > 2. Should their needs not be met by the WG's suggestions they would > then be looking at good quality libraries (well organized, well documented, > good quality code with clear code documentation and coding style reflected > throughout the effort along with test programs or libraries to be able to > test everything out). So just throwing existing code somewhere in the > hierarchy of the library simply wont be looked at. Although a joint effort -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "So if I understand 'The Matrix Reloaded' correctly, the Matrix is basically a Microsoft operating system - it runs for a while and then crashes and reboots. By design, no less. Neo is just a memory leak that's too hard to fix, so they left him in... The users don't complain because they're packed in slush and kept sedated" -- Marin D. Condic ======================================================================