From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-16 18:40:19 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F8F487E.80405@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F846B5E.9080502@comcast.net> <3F855460.6020804@noplace.com> <3F86211B.103@comcast.net> <3F8640CA.6090306@noplace.com> <3F881515.4060305@noplace.com> <3F8E915C.6040003@noplace.com> <3F8F3986.7000107@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 01:40:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.3.106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1066354818 209.165.3.106 (Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:40:18 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:1041 Date: 2003-10-17T01:40:18+00:00 List-Id: Well, I could quit talking about it and maybe even devote some time to building it. Why not start with the Booch components? Or Grace? Or Charles? Or PragmAda? Or any of the others I've forgot to mention? Would the vendors get on board and say "If you guys shut up and start programming on top of XYZ library, we'll put it into our next release and start calling it the Conventional Ada Library..." I could get with that program, but I'd like to see some of the folks that matter say something about what they'd accept or reject. If none of those is suitable, then lets hear them say that - and then say something about what they *would* accept. I don't even think it would need to be all the vendors. Look at it this way: Some of the vendors are out there actively developing their compilers and looking to improve their toolsets. Others are content to "milk the cash-cow" - they have an Ada compiler to sell but don't see it as an important future product so they do as little as is necessary to support it. They may not even see enough potential there to make it worth their time to upgrade it to Ada0x, so do they even count? How many of the vendors fall into the first category? Who are they? What if we got just those vendors to discuss it and express some opinions on what they'd like? I don't think I'm asking for the moon and the sun and the stars here. Just some minimal display of interest and some guidance on priorities/requirements on the part of a small handful of vendors who stand to benefit by having their product improved at little to no cost to them - at least initially. Does that seem so unreasonable? I'd be happy to discuss it with them off-line. All it takes is to send me an e-mail. MDC Robert I. Eachus wrote: > > > I have probably spent more time talking here than I should, and less > time actually working on a library (or a registry). Getting the > concepts right, and the library design right is worth a lot of effort, > but too many decent efforts have died from too much discussion and not > enough commitment. (In the sense of putting something on the table and > either voting to accept it, or deciding how to improve it.) -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================