From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-15 05:27:22 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F8D3D26.4050101@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F836447.1000800@noplace.com> <8746564.sTh3EHsOBI@linux1.krischik.com> <3F8637C8.3020201@noplace.com> <3F880E88.4070605@noplace.com> <3F8C4B22.1030306@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:27:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.3.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1066220842 209.165.3.96 (Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:27:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:27:22 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:888 Date: 2003-10-15T12:27:22+00:00 List-Id: At this point, nobody is proposing a business plan. I respect what you're saying because it soumds an awful lot like what I've been saying about volunteer efforts. Most people (myself included) have some amount of time they might kick in to build something if they thought there was soem reasonably charitable goal - like helping Ada to grow. But something like a CAL that was anything more than a container library (and thus a small, bounded project) is going to require a level of effort that is not likely to come from pure volunteerism. It certainly won't produce a high level of quality & consistency on anything resembling a schedule. So I think it takes some kind of funding to get there. A "Business Venture" is one way of doing the funding, but that may be problematic. Someone would have to see a way of making money from the venture itself and that could get in the way of the library gaining widespread adoption. OTOH, a joint-venture of some form on the part of the compiler vendors, where the vendors treat it more as an R&D thing and don't expect it to generate huge amounts of cash on its own - that might be a workable answer. Or see if there's any government money left to back up Ada research. Or perhaps find some university support. One way or another, I think it would take a small handful of salaries to oversee the endeavor long enough to get something working in place. How to do that? I don't know, but it would take some level of act-of-will on the part of the vendors. MDC Stephen Leake wrote: > > > I'm willing to participate in and contribute to a realistic, viable > Common Ada Library. But until someone says "I've got a large chunk of > change to invest in this business plan", I'm not going to give it > serious attention. For now, I'll stick with my Ada library on my > website. > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================