From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-11 19:46:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F88C070.6090201@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F836447.1000800@noplace.com> <8746564.sTh3EHsOBI@linux1.krischik.com> <3F8637C8.3020201@noplace.com> <3F8810C0.3080506@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 02:46:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.25.238 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1065926770 209.165.25.238 (Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:46:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:46:10 EDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:697 Date: 2003-10-12T02:46:10+00:00 List-Id: With your "snip" I can't tell if you agree with me or are poking fun of me. :-) ("You can't just count money...") Assuming you agree, here's the reason I show concern for the monetary aspects. No matter *how* a library gets built, *someone* is going to pay. Even if it was totally a volunteer effort - the volunteers end up funding it with their sweat equity. Even if the vendors get the library "free" (as in "free beer"), it still costs them money because they have to pay someone to incorporate it into their releases, make sure it compiles & runs, answer questions about it when customers call, etc. So even when no obvious $$$ change hands, $$$ are expended. Given that no matter what you do, you will be dealing with an outflow of $$$, it would be wise to figure out how that's going to work up front. Volunteer efforts only go so far before everyone's wife starts insisting that you stop wasting time in front of the computer (mine is doing that as we speak! :-) and your kids want to go visit the Magic Kingdom. Volunteers tend to build whatever it is *they* want to whatever standards and quality *they* find acceptable. If you want to get a library that meets various expectations for style, quality, schedule, etc., its going to help a hell of a lot if there is some money in there greasing the skids. If you want to insure that the library is going to see continuous support and enhancement, some money thrown at it is going to do a lot more to insure that than all the idealistic volunteering we're likely to see. Long term success means it probably needs to be able to generate enough cash to pay a few salaries or it will likely flounder. There are any nunmber of ways a library might be funded and not all of them involve someone writing a huge check up front. I discussed one option in the article I wrote for Ada Letters. It certainly isn't the only way to go - just one possible way. But whatever happens, I think those concerned with getting a library ought to put some thought into ways to fund its development and long term support. MDC Martin Dowie wrote: > "Marin David Condic" wrote in message > news:3F8810C0.3080506@noplace.com... > >>And that's a really critical issue for any library. You can't just count > > [snip] > >>money, but one way or another, it ought to be part of the plan. > > > here here! > > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================