From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-10 05:49:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F86AAE2.4090907@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F836528.9020906@noplace.com> <3F8557C1.7090704@noplace.com> <3F86241A.4000409@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:49:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.23.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1065790179 209.165.23.11 (Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:49:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:49:39 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:595 Date: 2003-10-10T12:49:39+00:00 List-Id: Start with the vendors. Who is still out there producing Ada compilers and with the intention of upgrading them to Ada0x? ACT? Aonix? RR? Rational? DDC-I? Which of these vendors (And others? Who else is out there?) are still actively interested in enhancing their products? The vendors who are still actively interested in Ada probably have some representation in the ARG. If they are still actively selling Ada, they probably have some technical person who could be contacted. Ask them what *THEY* want to see happen. Its all a most profound - possibly even sinful - waste of time to run off and start putting something together if the key players are going to end up saying "No Way". Find out what their requirements are and what they want to see happen and maybe we can make sure we got something organized that would meet their needs. With something like a library, Ada has a chance to build a new culture of "Customer Orientation" - Lets not just rush off and start building things because we think they are theoretically nice or intellectually satisfying. Lets build things that will satisfy the customer because we bothered to *ASK* the customers what they want. Market Research ought to be really key here. MDC Stephane Richard wrote: > > IF we go the way of a new group, who would we have to talk to to get things > started, get the big wheel turning? > > However I think we should have a basis for a structure to suggest first. So > on your other post to Martin, when you say to create a structure of names > (atleast) I'd say you're right :-)..if not anything else, a text file that > represents an image of a possible end product perhaps? That wouldn't be too > long too do. Atleast we'd all see (and be able to agree on) a given layout. > For that I have to agreewith you :-). > -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================