From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-09 22:17:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F8640CA.6090306@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F846B5E.9080502@comcast.net> <3F855460.6020804@noplace.com> <3F86211B.103@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 05:17:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.24.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1065763022 209.165.24.79 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:17:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:17:02 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:577 Date: 2003-10-10T05:17:02+00:00 List-Id: Robert I. Eachus wrote: > > You really don't want to ask the ARG. We have a specific role under > WG9, and if this was made a NWI (new work item), it might be > assigned to some other RG, probably one set up for the purpose. > It can live under any group you like so long as there is some sort of agreed-upon acceptance from the vendors and anyone else that matters that somehow or other this is going to be distributed with Ada compilers. > > That's why I suggested keeping the focus on the first level naming. > The actual source could be public domain, copyrighted under various > terms, or even licensed for big bucks. But having a central > repository of names would insure that conflicts did not arise. > Before charging off and starting a library tree of names even, I'd like to see what sort of requirements and/or organization the vendors would like to have. What would make such a project acceptable to them? What do they want in it? How would they want it played out? Names are relatively easy to hammer out. Once you know what sort of things the vendors want, you create a tree of names that lines up with that and get everybody to say O.K. Assuming its under control of some editor/publisher and you want to get a statistics library in there, you talk to the editor and if he agrees, he gives you a branch name to work under. > > You meant Ada.Containers, right? Of course, if it is necessary, one > could be a renaming of the other. > Nope. Nothing under Ada unless the ARM explicitly makes it legal to extend things under the root package Ada. There are times I'd have liked to extend things under the root package Ada - except its illegal to do that. If you've got an Ada.Containers, you'd like some end user to a) have source for Ada.Containers and b) be able to tweak or adjust it or extend it with whatever good ideas he may have. (Like maybe Ada.Containers.Realtime? Or Ada.Containers.Bounded?) If this is difficult to allow, then start another tree that is totally independent and under which it *is* possible to extend. Naturally, if you modify the source for some package that is distributed by your vendor, you assume the risk of managing any changes. But the whole idea of a library outside of the ARM is to be able to make it more flexible, so you want people playing with it and extending it. Thats where the new "Good Ideas" are going to come from. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================