From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,88ed72d98e6b3457 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-10-09 05:11:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F855056.5020606@noplace.com> From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 (OEM-HPQ-PRS1C03) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Standard Library Interest? References: <3F7F760E.2020901@comcast.net> <3F8035B0.7080902@noplace.com> <3F816A35.4030108@noplace.com> <3F81FBEC.9010103@noplace.com> <6Ingb.30667$541.13861@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> <3F82B4A4.5060301@noplace.com> <3F82F527.3020101@noplace.com> <3F836447.1000800@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:11:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.26.89 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1065701464 209.165.26.89 (Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:11:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:11:04 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:529 Date: 2003-10-09T12:11:04+00:00 List-Id: Years ago in Ada83 there was an effort by (I think?) Richard Conn? It was affiliated with some university - it may even still be out there. He was assembling all sorts of Ada code and trying to classify it for easy reuse. A noble effort. I think it suffered from a couple of factors: 1) The "Not Invented Here" syndrome - which makes it tough for any library (but can be overcome). 2) The general inconsistency from one package of stuff to the next - no integration. 3) Often poor quality of what was there - things might or might not even compile, much less run. 4) Varying styles & interfaces - nothing you saw in one package was going to be mirrored in another package. ) Lack of documentation - or at least spotty and inconsistent. You might have the code but you might not be able to figure out what to do with it. These are just some guesses on my part as to why this didn't gain any sort of huge acceptance on the part of the Ada community. I'm sure people used it & it had some value, but it never caught on like it should have. You can also look at the various Ada websites that are out there and all the assorted libraries of stuff that is offered up. Yes, people use it, but there is a lot of overlap, inconsistency, lack of integration, lack of documentation, varying quality, varying styles, etc. There is no overall consensus that any one particular library for any one particular capability is "The Thing". Adding yet another library out there with no "Official" standing or endorsement is doing just that - adding another library to the mess. It may or may not have a large group of followers. It may or may not have a high level of integration and consistency. It may or may not be well documented. There's no reason to believe that it would become so "Dominant" that the vendors would be clamoring to put it on their distribution disks. But as I've said elsewhere, anyone who wants to is free to go ahead and try. I even hope they might succeed. I just won't waste my time on something that doesn't at least start with some level of acceptance by the ARG and the vendors. MDC Ching Bon Lam wrote: > > > I haven't been there :) Could you name a couple examples? And what did go > wrong that it didn't get accepted? > > CBL -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for." --Logan Pearsall Smith ======================================================================