From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,38fc011071df5a27 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-09-13 13:48:13 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F638274.6000207@attbi.com> From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get a =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBConventional_Ada_Library=AB?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_=28Was=3A_Ideas_for_Ada_200X=29?= References: <6a90b886.0305262344.1d558079@posting.google.com> <3ED4A94C.2020501@noplace.com> <3ED6A852.75AC0133@adaworks.com> <3ED74ED3.4020505@noplace.com> <3ED7C8C5.3070902@cogeco.ca> <3ED826BB.9010509@noplace.com> <3F61BA28.3060507@crs4.it> <3F6205B8.3070402@attbi.com> <3F6316DC.7080106@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.34.139.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1063486086 24.34.139.183 (Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:48:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:48:06 GMT Organization: Comcast Online Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:48:06 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:42460 Date: 2003-09-13T20:48:06+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > Just for the record, the quoted text was mine and not that of Jacob > Sparre Andersen. > > I don't understand what you mean about "Fighting the wrong battle." > First, I wasn't saying that a library needs to be "Complex" in order to > succeed. I said it needs acceptance by the vendors in order to succeed. > There may be those who would care to dispute that point. I think its > intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer. :-) One may argue > about how to get there, but I think that is a necessary condition to > success. I meant that ease of implementation for the compiler vendors is not that important. Ease of understanding and use of the library by Ada programmers is vital. Even though I think this particular effort to come up with an interface is unlikely to succeed, at least it is tackling the right issue. It would be nice to invent a simple interface and then provide an implementation. But I think that we are now too close to decision time for another cut at library requirements to be finished in time to have any effect. If anyone wants to look at existing Ada container libraries, and see if the interfaces can be simplified, that might be worthwhile. -- Robert I. Eachus "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure." -- Jacques Chirac, President of France "As far as France is concerned, you're right." -- Rush Limbaugh